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1. de Chiny, Louis III
   1. d'Aspremont, Sophie
      1. de Chiny, Louis
         1. d'Avesnes, Mathilde
            1. de Hacquegnies, Agnes Mathilde de Trazegnies
            2. de Chiny, Idabelle de Hacquegnies
            3. de Chiny, Jeanne
      2. de Chiny, Gertrude

Ancestors

de Chiny, Louis
*1172
+1226-11-10

de Chiny, Louis III *1141 +1189-08-10

Ier de Chiny, Albert *1098 +1162-09-29

de Chiny, Otton II *1065 +1125-03-28

de Namur, Adelaide
*1068
+1124

de Bar, Agnes
*1118-09-29
+1185

d'Aspremont, Sophie
*about 1160
+1207-08-13

Source References

1. Wikipedia (F) - Louis IV de Chiny
   1. • Source text:

        Louis IV from Chiny, says the young, probably dead at Cahors during autumn 1226, was chiny County de 1189 to 1226. He was the son of Louis III, Count of Chiny and Sophie.

        He succeeded in 1189 his father died on a crusade, but his mother and uncle Thierry de Mellier took care of him because of his young age. Major in 1220, he probably participated in the albigensian Crusade, where he died.

        In the hypothesis where his sextaeul Otton Ier from Chiny is the son of'Albert Ier from Vermandois, he would then be one of the last lineage descendants patrilineal de Charlemagne one of the last known members of the dynasties carolingian.

        Marriage & children
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        He had married Mathilde d'Avesnes, daughter of Jacques, lord of Avesnes and Conde, and of Adele, lady of Guise, widow of Nicholas IV lord of Florennes-Rumigny, and sister of Gautier II d'Avesnes, count Blois and from Chartres and of Bouchard d'Avesnes, ancestor of hainaut Counts. They had :

        Jeanne (1205 † 1271), Countess of Chiny, married to Arnoul IV (1210 † 1273), looz County ;
        Agnes, Lady of Givet and Abemont ;
        Isabelle, married to Otto III from Trazegnies, lord from Trasegnies (it's the lady of Florenville-le-Chateau du Chauvency Tournament).
        Source
        modify
        Christian Settipani, The Prehistory of Capetians (New genealogical history of the august house of France, theft. 1), villeneuve-d'Ascq, ed. Patrick van Kerrebrouck, France, 1993, 545, 545 p. (ISBN 978-2-95015-093-6).

      • Citation:

        https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_IV_de_Chiny

2. GGGS-5FG FamilySearch.org
   1. • Source text:

        LOUIS [IV] (after 1173-7 Oct 1226, bur Orval). “Ludovicus...comes de Chisnei...per manus uxoris meæ Sophiæ et filii mei Ludovici et matris meæ et fratris mei Theodorici” confirmed the donation of “nemore Bellonis Campaniæ” made to Orval by “homines mei Cono de Viler, Symon de Firmitate et Lambertus de Staules” by charter dated 1185[652]. His father’s charter dated 1173 (before 23 May) states that he was childless at that date. Comte de Chiny. “Sophia comitissa de Chisnei...per manum filiorum meorum Ludovici comitis junioris de Chisneio et Anselmi” donated “pratum apud Briuele super Mosa” to Orval, with the consent of “domini Anselmi de Gerlande mariti mei”, by charter dated 1197[653]. “Sophia...comitissa de Chisneio...quoque filius eius comes de Chisneio” notified that “homines...de Morei” had donated a field to Orval by charter dated 1198[654]. “Ludovicus Ludovici filius comes de Chisneio” approved an arbitral decision relating to a dispute between Orval and “Henricum dominum Firmitatis” by charter dated 1200[655]. [656]. “Ludovicus...comes de Chinei” donated “patronatum...ecclesiæ de Giversei, de Trembloit et de Chamoulhei” to Orval by charter dated 1200, under his seal and that of “domini Gaufridi de Asperomonte cognati mei”[657]. Louis’s family relationship with Geoffroy [I] d’Aspremont was through his paternal aunt who had married Geoffroy’s father. “Ludovicus...comes de Chisneio” noted that “nobilis vir Guido cognomento Senescalcus et uxor eius Helvidis de Radulficurte” had donated fishing rights “in aqua sua de Poillei” to Orval by charter dated 1205[658]. “Ludovicus comes de Chisneio” declared that “dominus Dudo miles de Malendrei infirmitate detentus et senio” had made donations to Orval, now ratified by “Ulricus miles gener eiusdem cum uxore Ysolde...Galteri...alterius fratris...”, by charter dated 1206[659]. “Ludovicus junior...comes de Chineio...cum matre mea Sophia” donated harvest “in molendino...apud Verton” to Orval, in exchange for revenue from property “apud Savinsart” which had been donated by “mater mea Sophia comitissa” for the soul of “bonæ memoriæ patris mei Ludovici comitis”, by charter dated 1207[660]. “Ludovicus comes de Chisnei” reached agreement with Orval concerning “prato ante Yvodium”, with the consent of “uxor mea Mathildis...cum filiabus meis Johenne et Agnes”, by charter dated Jul 1212[661]. "Ludovici comitis de Chisni, Egidii de Hierge, Arnulphi de Morelmes, Jacobi de Orcismont" signed the charter dated 1218 under which "Rogerus de Cimaco…castellaniam de Covinio" confirmed his rights and those of the bishop of Liège in Couvin[662]. “Ludovicus comes de Chiny” reached noted a settlement of a dispute with Orval involving “terris de Ysengiermont” by charter dated 17 Jan 1226[663]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1226 of "Ludovicus…comes de Cisneio" and his burial "in Aureavalle" with "avus eius Albertus comes"[664]. “Henricus comes Barri” attested that “consanguineus meus Ludovicus comes de Chisney in magna infirmitate...apud Chaors” donated property “in molendino de Thonele” to Orval by testament before he died, with the consent of “M. uxor sua comitissa et Johanna primogenita sua”, by charter dated Nov 1226[665]. The necrology of Orval records the death “V Id Oct” of “Lodovicus comes de Chiney” and his donation of “molendinum de Tonelle”[666]. m (after Feb 1205) as her second husband, MATHILDE d'Avesnes, widow of NICOLAS [IV] Seigneur de Rumigny, daughter of JACQUES Seigneur d'Avesnes & his wife Adeline de Guise ([1170]-5 Nov, 1237 or after). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that "primogenita" married "comiti de Cisneio" and (incorrectly) as her second husband "domino Nicolao de Rumengni"[667]. “Ludovicus comes de Chisnei” reached agreement with Orval concerning “prato ante Yvodium”, with the consent of “uxor mea Mathildis...cum filiabus meis Johenne et Agnes”, by charter dated Jul 1212[668]. “Henricus comes Barri” attested that “consanguineus meus Ludovicus comes de Chisney in magna infirmitate...apud Chaors” donated property “in molendino de Thonele” to Orval by testament before he died, with the consent of “M. uxor sua comitissa et Johanna primogenita sua”, by charter dated Nov 1226[669]. “...Comitissa de Chinniaco, soror domini Bouchardi de Avenis et filie eius...” and others requested the archbishop of Reims to confirm their agreement regarding the Flanders succession by charter dated [Feb] 1235, confirmed before 8 Apr 1235 by the archbishop[670]. “Mathildis domina de Rumegny” donated “duo diurnalia vinearum apud Ars” to Orval, with the consent of “abbas Aureævallis et soror mea de Rosoir”, by charter dated Jul 1237[671]. The necrology of Orval records the death “Non Nov” of “Matildis comitissa de Chiny uxor Ludovici junioris” and her donation of “molendinum de Tonelle et...prati ante Ivodium”[672]. Louis [IV] & his wife had three children:

        i) JEANNE (-17 Jan 1271).
        ii) AGNES (-before 1235)
        iii) ISABELLE ([1207/10?]-after Apr 1259, possibly [5 Jun 1270/24 Jun 1273], maybe after 1285).

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        Wikipedia
        Louis IV the Young (1173 – 7 October 1226), Count of Chiny from 1189 to 1226, son of Louis III, Count of Chiny, and Sophie. Louis was the last of the first dynasty of Counts of Chiny.

        Having no son, he prepared his eldest daughter Jeanne as his successor. Louis marked his reign by issuing the first postage stamp in the county.

        He succeeded as count in 1189 when his father died on the Third Crusade, but was under the supervision of his mother and uncle Thierry, Lord of Mellier, because of his young age. He likely participated in the Albigensian Crusade, where he died in Cahors.

        He married Matilda of Avesnes, widow of Nicolas IV, Lord of Rumigny, and daughter of James, Lord of Avesnes and Conde, and Adele, Lady of Guise. They had three children:

        Jeanne, Countess of Chiny, married to Arnold IV, Count of Looz
        Agnes, Lady of Givet and Abemont
        Isabelle, married to Otto, Lord of Trazegnies.

        Isabelle was referred to as Madame de Florenville during the Tournament of Chauvency in 1285, hosted by Louis' grandson Louis V, successor Count of Chiny,[1]

        Upon Louis’ death, his daughter Jeanne became Countess of Chiny until her marriage to Arnold IV, when he became the first Count of Chiny of the second dynasty as Arnold II.

        Louis IV was also a direct paternal descendant of Charlemagne.

      • Citation:

        https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GGGS-5FG

   2. • Source text:

        LOUIS [IV] (after 1173-7 Oct 1226, bur Orval). “Ludovicus...comes de Chisnei...per manus uxoris meæ Sophiæ et filii mei Ludovici et matris meæ et fratris mei Theodorici” confirmed the donation of “nemore Bellonis Campaniæ” made to Orval by “homines mei Cono de Viler, Symon de Firmitate et Lambertus de Staules” by charter dated 1185[652]. His father’s charter dated 1173 (before 23 May) states that he was childless at that date. Comte de Chiny. “Sophia comitissa de Chisnei...per manum filiorum meorum Ludovici comitis junioris de Chisneio et Anselmi” donated “pratum apud Briuele super Mosa” to Orval, with the consent of “domini Anselmi de Gerlande mariti mei”, by charter dated 1197[653]. “Sophia...comitissa de Chisneio...quoque filius eius comes de Chisneio” notified that “homines...de Morei” had donated a field to Orval by charter dated 1198[654]. “Ludovicus Ludovici filius comes de Chisneio” approved an arbitral decision relating to a dispute between Orval and “Henricum dominum Firmitatis” by charter dated 1200[655]. [656]. “Ludovicus...comes de Chinei” donated “patronatum...ecclesiæ de Giversei, de Trembloit et de Chamoulhei” to Orval by charter dated 1200, under his seal and that of “domini Gaufridi de Asperomonte cognati mei”[657]. Louis’s family relationship with Geoffroy [I] d’Aspremont was through his paternal aunt who had married Geoffroy’s father. “Ludovicus...comes de Chisneio” noted that “nobilis vir Guido cognomento Senescalcus et uxor eius Helvidis de Radulficurte” had donated fishing rights “in aqua sua de Poillei” to Orval by charter dated 1205[658]. “Ludovicus comes de Chisneio” declared that “dominus Dudo miles de Malendrei infirmitate detentus et senio” had made donations to Orval, now ratified by “Ulricus miles gener eiusdem cum uxore Ysolde...Galteri...alterius fratris...”, by charter dated 1206[659]. “Ludovicus junior...comes de Chineio...cum matre mea Sophia” donated harvest “in molendino...apud Verton” to Orval, in exchange for revenue from property “apud Savinsart” which had been donated by “mater mea Sophia comitissa” for the soul of “bonæ memoriæ patris mei Ludovici comitis”, by charter dated 1207[660]. “Ludovicus comes de Chisnei” reached agreement with Orval concerning “prato ante Yvodium”, with the consent of “uxor mea Mathildis...cum filiabus meis Johenne et Agnes”, by charter dated Jul 1212[661]. "Ludovici comitis de Chisni, Egidii de Hierge, Arnulphi de Morelmes, Jacobi de Orcismont" signed the charter dated 1218 under which "Rogerus de Cimaco…castellaniam de Covinio" confirmed his rights and those of the bishop of Liège in Couvin[662]. “Ludovicus comes de Chiny” reached noted a settlement of a dispute with Orval involving “terris de Ysengiermont” by charter dated 17 Jan 1226[663]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1226 of "Ludovicus…comes de Cisneio" and his burial "in Aureavalle" with "avus eius Albertus comes"[664]. “Henricus comes Barri” attested that “consanguineus meus Ludovicus comes de Chisney in magna infirmitate...apud Chaors” donated property “in molendino de Thonele” to Orval by testament before he died, with the consent of “M. uxor sua comitissa et Johanna primogenita sua”, by charter dated Nov 1226[665]. The necrology of Orval records the death “V Id Oct” of “Lodovicus comes de Chiney” and his donation of “molendinum de Tonelle”[666]. m (after Feb 1205) as her second husband, MATHILDE d'Avesnes, widow of NICOLAS [IV] Seigneur de Rumigny, daughter of JACQUES Seigneur d'Avesnes & his wife Adeline de Guise ([1170]-5 Nov, 1237 or after). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that "primogenita" married "comiti de Cisneio" and (incorrectly) as her second husband "domino Nicolao de Rumengni"[667]. “Ludovicus comes de Chisnei” reached agreement with Orval concerning “prato ante Yvodium”, with the consent of “uxor mea Mathildis...cum filiabus meis Johenne et Agnes”, by charter dated Jul 1212[668]. “Henricus comes Barri” attested that “consanguineus meus Ludovicus comes de Chisney in magna infirmitate...apud Chaors” donated property “in molendino de Thonele” to Orval by testament before he died, with the consent of “M. uxor sua comitissa et Johanna primogenita sua”, by charter dated Nov 1226[669]. “...Comitissa de Chinniaco, soror domini Bouchardi de Avenis et filie eius...” and others requested the archbishop of Reims to confirm their agreement regarding the Flanders succession by charter dated [Feb] 1235, confirmed before 8 Apr 1235 by the archbishop[670]. “Mathildis domina de Rumegny” donated “duo diurnalia vinearum apud Ars” to Orval, with the consent of “abbas Aureævallis et soror mea de Rosoir”, by charter dated Jul 1237[671]. The necrology of Orval records the death “Non Nov” of “Matildis comitissa de Chiny uxor Ludovici junioris” and her donation of “molendinum de Tonelle et...prati ante Ivodium”[672]. Louis [IV] & his wife had three children:

        i) JEANNE (-17 Jan 1271).
        ii) AGNES (-before 1235)
        iii) ISABELLE ([1207/10?]-after Apr 1259, possibly [5 Jun 1270/24 Jun 1273], maybe after 1285).

        *****************
        Wikipedia
        Louis IV the Young (1173 – 7 October 1226), Count of Chiny from 1189 to 1226, son of Louis III, Count of Chiny, and Sophie. Louis was the last of the first dynasty of Counts of Chiny.

        Having no son, he prepared his eldest daughter Jeanne as his successor. Louis marked his reign by issuing the first postage stamp in the county.

        He succeeded as count in 1189 when his father died on the Third Crusade, but was under the supervision of his mother and uncle Thierry, Lord of Mellier, because of his young age. He likely participated in the Albigensian Crusade, where he died in Cahors.

        He married Matilda of Avesnes, widow of Nicolas IV, Lord of Rumigny, and daughter of James, Lord of Avesnes and Conde, and Adele, Lady of Guise. They had three children:

        Jeanne, Countess of Chiny, married to Arnold IV, Count of Looz
        Agnes, Lady of Givet and Abemont
        Isabelle, married to Otto, Lord of Trazegnies.

        Isabelle was referred to as Madame de Florenville during the Tournament of Chauvency in 1285, hosted by Louis' grandson Louis V, successor Count of Chiny,[1]

        Upon Louis’ death, his daughter Jeanne became Countess of Chiny until her marriage to Arnold IV, when he became the first Count of Chiny of the second dynasty as Arnold II.

        Louis IV was also a direct paternal descendant of Charlemagne.

      • Citation:

        https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GGGS-5FG

   3. • Source text:

        LOUIS [IV] (after 1173-7 Oct 1226, bur Orval). “Ludovicus...comes de Chisnei...per manus uxoris meæ Sophiæ et filii mei Ludovici et matris meæ et fratris mei Theodorici” confirmed the donation of “nemore Bellonis Campaniæ” made to Orval by “homines mei Cono de Viler, Symon de Firmitate et Lambertus de Staules” by charter dated 1185[652]. His father’s charter dated 1173 (before 23 May) states that he was childless at that date. Comte de Chiny. “Sophia comitissa de Chisnei...per manum filiorum meorum Ludovici comitis junioris de Chisneio et Anselmi” donated “pratum apud Briuele super Mosa” to Orval, with the consent of “domini Anselmi de Gerlande mariti mei”, by charter dated 1197[653]. “Sophia...comitissa de Chisneio...quoque filius eius comes de Chisneio” notified that “homines...de Morei” had donated a field to Orval by charter dated 1198[654]. “Ludovicus Ludovici filius comes de Chisneio” approved an arbitral decision relating to a dispute between Orval and “Henricum dominum Firmitatis” by charter dated 1200[655]. [656]. “Ludovicus...comes de Chinei” donated “patronatum...ecclesiæ de Giversei, de Trembloit et de Chamoulhei” to Orval by charter dated 1200, under his seal and that of “domini Gaufridi de Asperomonte cognati mei”[657]. Louis’s family relationship with Geoffroy [I] d’Aspremont was through his paternal aunt who had married Geoffroy’s father. “Ludovicus...comes de Chisneio” noted that “nobilis vir Guido cognomento Senescalcus et uxor eius Helvidis de Radulficurte” had donated fishing rights “in aqua sua de Poillei” to Orval by charter dated 1205[658]. “Ludovicus comes de Chisneio” declared that “dominus Dudo miles de Malendrei infirmitate detentus et senio” had made donations to Orval, now ratified by “Ulricus miles gener eiusdem cum uxore Ysolde...Galteri...alterius fratris...”, by charter dated 1206[659]. “Ludovicus junior...comes de Chineio...cum matre mea Sophia” donated harvest “in molendino...apud Verton” to Orval, in exchange for revenue from property “apud Savinsart” which had been donated by “mater mea Sophia comitissa” for the soul of “bonæ memoriæ patris mei Ludovici comitis”, by charter dated 1207[660]. “Ludovicus comes de Chisnei” reached agreement with Orval concerning “prato ante Yvodium”, with the consent of “uxor mea Mathildis...cum filiabus meis Johenne et Agnes”, by charter dated Jul 1212[661]. "Ludovici comitis de Chisni, Egidii de Hierge, Arnulphi de Morelmes, Jacobi de Orcismont" signed the charter dated 1218 under which "Rogerus de Cimaco…castellaniam de Covinio" confirmed his rights and those of the bishop of Liège in Couvin[662]. “Ludovicus comes de Chiny” reached noted a settlement of a dispute with Orval involving “terris de Ysengiermont” by charter dated 17 Jan 1226[663]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the death in 1226 of "Ludovicus…comes de Cisneio" and his burial "in Aureavalle" with "avus eius Albertus comes"[664]. “Henricus comes Barri” attested that “consanguineus meus Ludovicus comes de Chisney in magna infirmitate...apud Chaors” donated property “in molendino de Thonele” to Orval by testament before he died, with the consent of “M. uxor sua comitissa et Johanna primogenita sua”, by charter dated Nov 1226[665]. The necrology of Orval records the death “V Id Oct” of “Lodovicus comes de Chiney” and his donation of “molendinum de Tonelle”[666]. m (after Feb 1205) as her second husband, MATHILDE d'Avesnes, widow of NICOLAS [IV] Seigneur de Rumigny, daughter of JACQUES Seigneur d'Avesnes & his wife Adeline de Guise ([1170]-5 Nov, 1237 or after). The late 13th century genealogy by Balduinus de Avennis names "Machtildem, Aelidem, Adeluyam et Agnetem" as the four daughters of "Nicolai Plukelli filius primogenitus Jacobus" and his wife, adding that "primogenita" married "comiti de Cisneio" and (incorrectly) as her second husband "domino Nicolao de Rumengni"[667]. “Ludovicus comes de Chisnei” reached agreement with Orval concerning “prato ante Yvodium”, with the consent of “uxor mea Mathildis...cum filiabus meis Johenne et Agnes”, by charter dated Jul 1212[668]. “Henricus comes Barri” attested that “consanguineus meus Ludovicus comes de Chisney in magna infirmitate...apud Chaors” donated property “in molendino de Thonele” to Orval by testament before he died, with the consent of “M. uxor sua comitissa et Johanna primogenita sua”, by charter dated Nov 1226[669]. “...Comitissa de Chinniaco, soror domini Bouchardi de Avenis et filie eius...” and others requested the archbishop of Reims to confirm their agreement regarding the Flanders succession by charter dated [Feb] 1235, confirmed before 8 Apr 1235 by the archbishop[670]. “Mathildis domina de Rumegny” donated “duo diurnalia vinearum apud Ars” to Orval, with the consent of “abbas Aureævallis et soror mea de Rosoir”, by charter dated Jul 1237[671]. The necrology of Orval records the death “Non Nov” of “Matildis comitissa de Chiny uxor Ludovici junioris” and her donation of “molendinum de Tonelle et...prati ante Ivodium”[672]. Louis [IV] & his wife had three children:

        i) JEANNE (-17 Jan 1271).
        ii) AGNES (-before 1235)
        iii) ISABELLE ([1207/10?]-after Apr 1259, possibly [5 Jun 1270/24 Jun 1273], maybe after 1285).

        *****************
        Wikipedia
        Louis IV the Young (1173 – 7 October 1226), Count of Chiny from 1189 to 1226, son of Louis III, Count of Chiny, and Sophie. Louis was the last of the first dynasty of Counts of Chiny.

        Having no son, he prepared his eldest daughter Jeanne as his successor. Louis marked his reign by issuing the first postage stamp in the county.

        He succeeded as count in 1189 when his father died on the Third Crusade, but was under the supervision of his mother and uncle Thierry, Lord of Mellier, because of his young age. He likely participated in the Albigensian Crusade, where he died in Cahors.

        He married Matilda of Avesnes, widow of Nicolas IV, Lord of Rumigny, and daughter of James, Lord of Avesnes and Conde, and Adele, Lady of Guise. They had three children:

        Jeanne, Countess of Chiny, married to Arnold IV, Count of Looz
        Agnes, Lady of Givet and Abemont
        Isabelle, married to Otto, Lord of Trazegnies.

        Isabelle was referred to as Madame de Florenville during the Tournament of Chauvency in 1285, hosted by Louis' grandson Louis V, successor Count of Chiny,[1]

        Upon Louis’ death, his daughter Jeanne became Countess of Chiny until her marriage to Arnold IV, when he became the first Count of Chiny of the second dynasty as Arnold II.

        Louis IV was also a direct paternal descendant of Charlemagne.

      • Citation:

        https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GGGS-5FG