Chiny

Ier de Chiny, Arnoul 1a 2a 3a 4a

Birth Name Ier de Chiny, Arnoul
Gender male
Age at Death about 66 years, 3 months, 15 days

Events

Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth about 1040 Chiny, Lotharingia, France   5
Death 1106-04-16 Chiny, Lotharingia, France   5

Age: 66y

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father , Ludwig II
Mother , Sophie
         Ier de Chiny, Arnoul about 1040 1106-04-16

Families

Family of Ier de Chiny, Arnoul and de Ramerupt, Adelais
Unknown Partner de Ramerupt, Adelais ( * 1035-12-12 + 1068 )
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
de Chiny, Clemenceabout 1056
de Chiny, Hawideabout 1060after 1097
de Chiny, Otton II10651125-03-28
de Chiny, Louisabout 1066
de Chiny, Beatrixabout 1068

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Source References

  1. Arnoul de Chiny in "Medieval Lands"
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        ARNOUL de Chiny, son of LOUIS [II] Comte de Chiny & his wife Sophie --- (-16 Apr 1106). “Arnulphus comes cum coniuge mea Adelais, filius Ludovici comitis” founded a monastery “in villa Pyrorum…in honore S. Sulpitii”, subject to “ecclesiæ S. Petri et S. Hugberti in Ardenna”, by undated charter signed by “Arnulphi comitis et Manasse fratris eius”[567]. Comte de Chiny. "Arnulfus comes cum coniuge mea Adelais filius Ludoguici comitis" donated revenue from the church of Prix to Ardenne Saint-Hubert by charter dated to 1066, signed by "Arnulfi comitis et Manasse fratris eius…"[568]. The Chronicle of Saint-Hubert records the donation by "Arnulpho comiti Chiniacensi" of "cella Pirensis" to Saint-Hubert in 1068[569]. "Dux et marchio Godefridus…uxoris mee Beatricis" confirmed the rights of the church of Verdun Saint-Vanne granted by "patre meo Gozelone", with the consent of "comitis Manasse", by charter dated [1065/66], subscribed by "comitis Manasse et filii eius Rainaldi, Hezelini comitis, comitis Arnulfi de Chisneio"[570]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines specifies that "Arnulfus comes Chisniaci" was also "comes de Givel et de Warc"[571]. "Arnulfus comes cum coniuge mea Adelail, filius Ludoguici comitis" founded the priory of Priez by charter dated 1068, signed by "Arnulphi comitis et Manasse fratris eius…"[572]. The Chronicle of Saint-Hubert records that, after the death of "Adeladis uxor Arnulfi, soror…Ebali Rocejensis", "Manasses…frater eiusdem Arnulfi" became a monk at the abbey but died within one month, adding that Comte Arnoul together with "quatuor fratres…Hugo et Ludovicus, Rodericus et Riquinus, filii Richezonis ex Liegarde amita Arnulfi comitis" (of whom "Riquinus" was killed by "Heribrando Bulloniensi" and was buried next to "prædictæ Adeladis") donated property[573]. "…comes Arnulfus de Kyney…" witnessed the charter dated 1091 under which Henri de Verdun Bishop of Liège approved the foundation of Flône[574]. "Arnulfus…comes" founded the priory of Sainte-Valpurge at Chiny, confirmed by "filiorum meorum Ottonis et Ludovici, nurus…meæ Adeleid", by charter dated 1097, later confirmed by "Ottonis comitis et Frederici præpositi Remensis et Alberti comitis filiorum eius et Adadis comitissæ et Guillelmi avocati"[575]. He founded Orval in 1097. The Chronicon Sancti Huberti records that "Arnulfus comes Chisniacensis" became a monk "in hoc loco Kal Apr…XVI Kal Mai obit"[576].

        m firstly ADELA de Ramerupt, daughter of HILDUIN [IV] de Montdidier et de Ramerupt Comte de Roucy & his wife Adelaide de Roucy (-[1068/69], bur Saint-Hubert, Ardennes). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Adele" as seventh daughter of Hilduin Comte de Roucy and names her husband "Arnulfo comiti de Chisneio"[577]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis clarifies the question when it refers to, but does not name, "quintam…Hilduini comitis filiam" as wife of "Arnulfus comes de Cinni"[578]. “Arnulphus comes cum coniuge mea Adelais, filius Ludovici comitis” founded a monastery “in villa Pyrorum…in honore S. Sulpitii”, subject to “ecclesiæ S. Petri et S. Hugberti in Ardenna”, by undated charter signed by “Arnulphi comitis et Manasse fratris eius”[579]. "Arnulfus comes cum coniuge mea Adelais filius Ludoguici comitis" donated revenue from the church of Prix to Ardenne Saint-Hubert by charter dated to 1066, signed by "Arnulfi comitis et Manasse fratris eius…"[580]. "Arnulfus comes cum coniuge mea Adelail, filius Ludoguici comitis" founded the priory of Priez by charter dated 1068, signed by "Arnulphi comitis et Manasse fratris eius…"[581]. The Chronicle of Saint-Hubert records the burial of "Adeladis uxor Arnulphi, soror…Ebali Roceiensis" at Saint-Hubert, dated to [1068/69] from the context[582].

        Arnoul & his first wife had six children.
        1. OTTO [II] (-1131 or after).
        2. LOUIS .
        3. HAWIDE .
        4. CLEMENCE .
        5. BEATRIX

        m secondly ERMENGARDE, daughter of --- (-before 1081). Europäische Stammtafeln names “Ermengarde, died before 1081” as the second wife of Comte Arnoul[583]. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.

        m thirdly AGNES, daughter of ---. Europäische Stammtafeln names “Agnes” as the third wife of Comte Arnoul[584]. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.

        Arnoul & his [third] wife had one child:
        7. ADALBERO (-1156).

      • Citation:

        https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN%20(UPPER)%20NOBILITY.htm#ArnoulChinydied1106A

  2. Arnold I, Count of Chiny in Wikipedia
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        Arnold I (died 16 April 1106), Count of Chiny, son of Louis II, Count of Chiny, and his wife Sophie. He succeeded his father as count before 1066.

        Arnold is best known for his many clashes with the authorities. The only known positive action of his was the founding of the Abbey of Orval with Conrad I, Count of Luxembourg. In addition he began other religious institutions, apparently as atonement for his many crimes. He had many run-ins with the clergy, particularly with Henry, Bishop of Liège, a relative of Godfrey the Bearded, no doubt due to the murder of his grandfather by Godfrey’s father. There were also issues with Henry's successor Otbert.

        A convenient story is that Arnold regularly confronted Godfrey’s grandson Count Godfrey of Bouillon, a leader of the First Crusade and nephew of Countess Mathilda of Tuscany, but that they eventually became friends. Because of this newly-found friendship, he allegedly entrusted Godfrey with his sons Otto and Louis to take part in the crusade. The reality is that this is likely a story concocted by Count Louis V, much like the rest of his version of the history of Chiny (see the discussion in the Counts of Chiny), to enhance his standing at the Tournament of Chauvency in 1285, which included such royalty as Rudolf I, King of Germany.

        It is clear that Otto and Louis never actually joined the crusade, as their names are not listed among the participants in the Holy quest.[1] The reality of the situation appears that Godfrey's army included relatively few of the major nobles of the duchy, especially those of comital rank. The nobles of Lower Lotharingia were not all vassals of the Duke (and later Defender of the Holy Sepulchre) and felt no obligation to follow him, despite the seriousness of the taking of the cross. Notable absentees were Arnold, Albert III of Namur and Henry of Arlon and Limburg. These were all part of the coalition that had waged war on Godfrey and his principal allies Henry of Verdun and his successor Otbert, Prince-Bishops of Liège. There is some uncertainty as to his sons' whereabouts during the crusade, but upon their return, Otto, who became the next Count of Chiny, found Orval falling in ruins. The Calabrian monks left in 1108, and the Cistercians revived Orval with Otto's help.

        Apparently unable to abide by normal legal traditions, Arnold attempted to capture Richilde, Countess of Hainaut, widow of Baldwin VI the Good, Count of Flanders, and her son Baldwin II, Count of Hainaut. Like most of his ventures, he failed in this. In 1082, Richilde and her son went on a pilgrimage to Rome, but on her return in 1084, she learned as she approached Chiny that Arnold was planning to kidnap her. She escaped by taking refuge in Benedictine Abbey of Amdain, in the present-day Saint Hubert.

        He married Adélaïs (Adelaide), daughter of Hilduin IV,[2] Count of Montdidier, Roucy and Ramerupt, and Alix de Roucy. They had six children:

        Otto II, Count of Chiny
        Louis, founder of the priory of Saint-Valpurge at Chiny
        Halide (Hadvide, Hadwida), married to Dodo of Cons (Dudo of Konz-Saarburg), who took the cross and became a Crusader in the army of Godfrey of Bouillon in 1096. He was one of two sons of Adelon de Cons.
        Clemence, married to Hugel de Waha, Châtelain de Mirwart, who was son of Hériman de Duras, who in turn was son of Otto I, Count of Duras, and grandson to Giselbert I, Count of Duras.
        Beatrix, mother of Arnulf, Archdeacon of Trier.
        Unnamed daughter, mother to Arnoul and Conon.

        Arnold's second wife was Ermengarde (d. 1081), a union for which no children are recorded. Arnold and his third wife Agnes had one child:

        Adelbero III of Chiny, Bishop of Verdun (1131-1156)
        Upon his death, Arnold’s son Otto assumed the title of Count of Chiny.

        References
        Riley-Smith, Johathan (1997). The First Crusaders: 1095-1131. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
        Guenée 1978, p. 471.
        Sources
        Guenée, Bernard (May–June 1978). "Les généalogies entre l'histoire et la politique: la fierté d'être Capétien, en France, au Moyen Age". Annales: Histoire, Sciences Sociales (3).
        Laret-Kayser, Arlette, Entre Bar et Luxembourg : Le Comté de Chiny des Origines à 1300, Bruxelles (éditions du Crédit Communal, Collection Histoire, série in-8°, n° 72), 1986
        Murray, Alan V., "The Army of Godfrey of Bouillon, 1096–1099: Structure and Dynamics of a Contingent on the First Crusade" (PDF)[permanent dead link], Revue belge de philologie et d'histoire 70 (2), 1992

      • Citation:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_I,_Count_of_Chiny

  3. Wikitree - Arnoul II de Chiny
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        Arnoul (Arnold II) "Comte de Chiny" de Chiny formerly Chiny
        Born about 1045 in Luxembourgmap

        Son of Louis (Chiny) de Chiny and Sophia (Verdun) Chiny
        [sibling(s) unknown]
        Husband of Adela (Roucy) de Chiny — married 1059 [location unknown]

        Father of Otto (Chiny) de Chiny
        Died 16 Apr 1106 at about age 61 [location unknown]

        Profile last modified 21 Nov 2020 | Created 20 Apr 2012

        Biography
        He succeeded his father before 1066 . He had many troubles with the religious, especially with the bishop of Liege Henry. In 1084 , he tried to capture Richilde of Hainault, but failed. In 1070 he founded the Abbey of Orval with Conrad I of Luxembourg. He also founded other religious establishments.

        Orval Abbey (Abbaye Notre-Dame d'Orval) is a Cistercian monastery founded in 1132 in the Gaume region of Belgium and is located in Villers-devant-Orval, part of Florenville in the province of Luxembourg. In 1070, a group of Benedictine monks from Calabria settled here, at the invitation of Arnould, Count of Chiny, and began construction of a church and a monastery, but after some forty years, possibly because of the death of Count Arnould, they moved away again. They were replaced by a community of Canons Regular, who completed the construction work: the abbey church was consecrated on 30 September 1124.

        Sources
        Arnold I van Chiny, Wikipedia (NL).

         

      • Citation:

        https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Chiny-5

  4. Geni - Arnold I de Chiny
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        Comte Arnold I de Chiny (de Warcq)
        Birthdate: 1040
        Birthplace: Chiny, Luxembourg, Belgium
        Death: April 11, 1106 (65-66)
        Saint-Hubert, Luxembourg, Walloon Region, Belgium
        Immediate Family:
        Son of Louis II de Warcq, comte de Chiny and Sophie van Chiny
        Husband of Adélaïde Agnes de Ramerupt, dame de Montdidier
        Father of Comte Otto II count van Chiny; Comte Louis de Chiny, II; Hedwige Von Chiny; Alix De Chiny; Clementia Von Chiny and 1 other
        Brother of Manassos de Warcq

         

        Occupation: Comte, de Chiny, de Warcq en Ivoix, Seigneur de Givet
        Managed by: James Fred Patin, Jr.
        Last Updated: December 26, 2022

      • Citation:

        https://www.geni.com/people/Comte-Arnold-I-de-Chiny/6000000000430097060

  5. G8WY-NB7 FamilySearch.org