Comyn, John III 1a

Birth Name Comyn, John III
Nick Name The Red
Gender male
Age at Death 36 years, 1 month, 9 days

Narrative

John Comyn, nicknamed "Red" Comyn, (died 10 February 1306) was a Scottish nobleman and royal Competitor. His father, another John Comyn, was known as the "Black" Comyn.

After the deaths of King Alexander III of Scotland in 1286 and his granddaughter and last undoubted heir Margaret, the Maid of Norway in 1290, twelve to fourteen powerful noble houses with tenuous royal claims competed for the throne. Foremost among these were the Balliol, the Comyn, and the Bruce. John Balliol had the support of the Comyns, and "Red" Comyn married Balliol's sister, to cement an alliance. However, Balliol was set up only to be knocked down by King Edward I of England.

In 1306, John Comyn, Earl of Mentieth, was summoned to a secret parley with his chief rival, Robert the Bruce, Earl of Carrick. As a "guarantee" of nonviolence, the negotiation was to be held in Greyfriars Church in Dumfries. Comyn did not survive this meeting, as Bruce stabbed him. Tradition has it that the wounded Comyn was then "finished off" by a companion of Bruce, Sir Roger de Kirkpatrick, with the words "I mak sikkar" (I make sure). This has remained the Kirkpatrick family motto to this day, with its crest being a bloodied hand holding a dagger.

The action resulted in Pope Clement V excommunicating the Bruce, temporarily damaging his chances of the throne. He was crowned king the following year.

The Scottish clan descended from the Comyns is now known as Cumming.

 

 

Events

Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth 1269     2
Death 1305-02-10     2
Event Note

D: 10 Feb 1305/6

Age: 36y

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father Comyn, John Lord of Badenoch12421303
Mother de Baliol, Alianore Mary1246
         Comyn, John III 1269 1305-02-10
    Sister     Comyn, Dornagilda 1295

Families

Family of Comyn, John III and de Valence, Joan
Unknown Partner de Valence, Joan ( * 1273 + ... )
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
Comyn, Joan12911326-07-24
Comyn, Elizabeth1299-11-011372-11-20

Source References

  1. David Meier: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jdp-fam&id=I41772 Royals, Rebels, Presidents, Paupers, Thinkers, and Thieves
      • Source text:

        ID: I41772
        Name: John III Comyn
        Given Name: John III
        Surname: Comyn
        Suffix: Lord of Badenoch
        Nickname: The Red
        Sex: M
        _UID: 134C33C4307CD811BE490080C8C142CC0921
        Change Date: 31 Dec 2004
        Note:
        John Comyn, nicknamed "Red" Comyn, (died 10 February 1306) was a Scottish nobleman and royal Competitor. His father, another John Comyn, was known as the "Black" Comyn.

        After the deaths of King Alexander III of Scotland in 1286 and his granddaughter and last undoubted heir Margaret, the Maid of Norway in 1290, twelve to fourteen powerful noble houses with tenuous royal claims competed for the throne. Foremost among these were the Balliol, the Comyn, and the Bruce. John Balliol had the support of the Comyns, and "Red" Comyn married Balliol's sister, to cement an alliance. However, Balliol was set up only to be knocked down by King Edward I of England.

        In 1306, John Comyn, Earl of Mentieth, was summoned to a secret parley with his chief rival, Robert the Bruce, Earl of Carrick. As a "guarantee" of nonviolence, the negotiation was to be held in Greyfriars Church in Dumfries. Comyn did not survive this meeting, as Bruce stabbed him. Tradition has it that the wounded Comyn was then "finished off" by a companion of Bruce, Sir Roger de Kirkpatrick, with the words "I mak sikkar" (I make sure). This has remained the Kirkpatrick family motto to this day, with its crest being a bloodied hand holding a dagger.

        The action resulted in Pope Clement V excommunicating the Bruce, temporarily damaging his chances of the throne. He was crowned king the following year.

        The Scottish clan descended from the Comyns is now known as Cumming.

        Birth: ABT 1269
        Death: 10 FEB 1305/6

        Father: John Comyn b: BEF 1281
        Mother: Alianore de Baliol b: ABT 1246

        Marriage 1 Joan de Valence b: ABT 1269
        Married:
        Children
        Elizabeth Comyn b: 1 NOV 1299
        Joan Comyn

         

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  2. David Meier: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=jdp-fam&id=I8999&style=TABLE Royals, Rebels, Presidents, Paupers, Thinkers, and Thieves