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Birth Name de Warenne, William III
Gender male
Age at Death 29 years, 7 months, 18 days

Narrative

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WILLIAM (DE WARENNE) III, EARL OF SURREY, 1st son and heir, was born probably in 1119. In June 1137 he was one of the nobles who deserted Stephen's army in Normandy. The King pursued them to Pontaudemer, where he held William de Warenne junior and other youths and did his best to pacify them; but did not dare to make them fight. He was with his half-brother Waleran, Count of Meulan, at Rouen on 18 Dec. 113 8, and at Oxford in 1139 or early in 1140. On 2 February 1140/1 he was in Stephen's army at the battle of Lincoln, and with Waleran fled before the enemy's opening charge. However, the brothers soon rallied to the Queen and were with her in London about June 1141. After the King's release on 1 November he witnessed royal charters at Canterbury at Christmas 1141 and at Ipswich early in 1142. On Palm Sunday, 24 March 1145/6, he took the cross, and in June 1147 he set off on crusade. He was a benefactor to the priories of Lewes, Castle Acre, Nosteil and Thetford, the Templars and St. Mary's Abbey, York. He married Ela or Ala, daughter of William TALVAS, COUNT OF PONTHIEU (son of Robert DE BELLÊME, 3rd EARL OF SHREWSBURY), by Ela, widow of Bertrand, COUNT OF TOULOUSE, and daughter of Eudes BOREL, DUKE OF BURGUNDY. He died s.p.m. 19 January 1147/8, being slain when the rearguard of the French King's army was cut to pieces in the defiles of Laodicea (i). His widow married, probably in or before 1152, Patrick (DE SALISBURY), 1st EARL OF WILTSHIRE or SALISBURY (died 1168). She is said to have died 4 October 1174. [Complete Peerage XII/1:496-7, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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(i) He left an only daughter and heir Isabel. He was probably the first to assume the checkered shield of gold and azure, differenced by the change of colour from the checkered shield borne by his half-brother Waleran, Count of Meulan.

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William de Warrenne (Earl of Warrenne), 3rd Earl of Surrey, zealously espoused the cause of King Stephen and had a chief command in the army of that monarch in the battle fought at Lincoln between him and the adherents of the Empress Maud. His lordship m. Adela, dau. of William Talvace, son of Robert de Belesmé, Earl of Shrewsbury, and had by her (who m. 2ndly, Patrick de Evreux, Earl of Salisbury) had an only dau. and heir, Isabel. In 1147, the Earl of Warrenne and Surrey assumed the cross and accompanoied Lewis, King of France, to the Holy Land against the Saracens. From this unfortunate enterprise the earl never returned, but whether he fell in battle or died in captivity has not been ascertained. [Sir Bernard Burke, Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd., London, 1883, p. 569, Warren, Earls of Surrey]

Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
Page: 112

Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
Page: 108-26

Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
Page: XII/1:496-7

Events

Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth 1118-06-00 Cherbourg-Octeville, Manche, Lower Normandy, France   8
Death 1148-01-19 Laodicea on the Lycus, Asia Minor (Turkey)   8
Event Note

 

 

 

Cause: War, Killed in battle against Turks in the 2nd Crusade in the area of Mount Cadmus, Turkey

Age: 29y 7m

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father De Warren, William II10831138-05-11
Mother De Crepi, Isabel of Leicester10811130-02-17
    Sister     De Warenne, Ada 1104 1178
    Sister     de Warenne, Gundred 1117
         de Warenne, William III 1118-06-00 1148-01-19
    Brother     Warren, Reginald 1120
    Half-brother     de Warenne, Ralph 1122

Families

Family of de Warenne, William III and de Talvas, Ela
Unknown Partner de Talvas, Ela ( * 1110 + 1174-10-04 )
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
De Warrenne, Isabella11371199-07-13
de Warenne, Gundred11451224

Source References

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  2. http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=tamer&id=I6651&style=TABLE
  3. William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey (1119 - 1148), Wikipedia
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        William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey (1119 – 6 January 1148) was an Anglo-Norman nobleman who fought in England during the Anarchy and generally remained loyal to King Stephen. He participated in the Second Crusade. He was the eldest son of William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey (died 1138) by his wife Elizabeth de Vermandois. William married Adela (alias Ela), daughter of Count William III of Ponthieu (also called William Talvas). He was one of the nobles who, along with his second cousin, King Louis VII of France, took crusading vows at the Council of Vézelay in 1146, and he accompanied the initial army of the Second Crusade the next year. William was killed at the Battle of Mount Cadmus while the crusader army was marching across Anatolia on their way to the Holy Land.

      • Citation:

        William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_de_Warenne,_3rd_Earl_of_Surrey

  4. William de Warren, 3rd Earl of Surrey (1119-1148), Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors
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        William de Warren, 3rd Earl of Surrey [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8]
        Last Edited 4 Apr 2020
        M, #6083, b. circa 1119, d. 19 January 1148
        Father William de Warenne, Earl of Warren & Surrey [9,10] b. 1071, d. 10 May 1138
        Mother Isabel de Vermandois [9,10] b. 1081, d. b 17 Feb 1147
        Charts Some Descendants of Charlemagne
        William de Warren, 3rd Earl of Surrey was born circa 1119 at of Vermandois, France; Of age in 1142. [11,8] He married Ela d' Alencon, daughter of Guillaume III, Count of Ponthieu, Alençon, & Montreuil-sur-Mer, Sire de Montgomery and Alice (Helie) of Burgundy, circa 1136; They had 1 daughter (Isabel, wife of William, Comte de Boulogne & Mortain, & of Hamelin, Vicomte de Touraine). [4,11,7,8] William de Warren, 3rd Earl of Surrey died on 19 January 1148 at Leodicia, Turkey; Slain when the rearguard of the French King's army was cut to pieces. [11,8]
        Family: Ela d' Alencon b. c 1120, d. 10 Dec 1174
        Children:
        Gundred Warenne+ d. a 1167
        Ela de Warren+ [2]
        Isabel de Warren+ [2,3,4,5,6,8] b. c 1137, d. c 12 Jul 1203
        Citations:
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      • Citation:

        https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p203.htm#i6083
        index to pedigrees [citations]

  5. William de Warenne 3rd Earl of Surrey - Medlands
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        1. WILLIAM [III] de Warenne ([1119]-killed in battle Laodicea 19 Jan 1147). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”secundus Willelmus de Warenna comes Surreiæ...tertius Willelmus filius eius” was born to “Elizabeth filia Hugonis Magni comitis Viromandorum”, who had first married “Roberto comiti Mellenti” by whom she had “tres filios et totidem filias”[1186]. William de Garenne donated property to St Faith, Longueville by charter dated to [1130], witnessed by "Ysabel comitissa uxor comitis et Willelmo et Radulfo filii eorum"[1187]. “W comes de Warenna et Isabella comitissa uxor mea necnon filii nostri Willelmus…et Radulfus” donated property to Castle Acre Priory by undated charter[1188]. He succeeded his father in 1138 as Earl of Surrey. An undated charter of ”Johannes comes Warennæ” confirmed earlier donations to Thetford Priory by “Willielmus comes Warenniæ” for the souls of “Willielmi comitis patris mei…matris meæ Isabellæ et fratrum meorum Radulphi Warenniæ et Reginaldi Warenniæ”[1189]. Robert of Torigny records that "tercii Willermi comitis de Guarenna" accompanied Louis VII King of France to Jerusalem and died there[1190]. William of Tyre records "comes Guarenna...Galcherius de Montiay, Evrardus de Bretol, Berus de Magnac…" among those killed in battle at Laodicea, in early 1148 (N.S.)[1191]. m as her first husband, ELA de Ponthieu, daughter of GUILLAUME [I] "Talvas" Comte d'Alençon & his wife Hélie de Bourgogne [Capet] (-10 Dec 1174). Guillaume of Jumièges records that ”Willelmum Talavatium” married “Ala...quæ fuerat antea uxor ducis Burgundiæ” [incorrect], and had “duos filios et totidem filias” of whom “altera” married “tertio Willelmi de Warenna comiti...Surreiæ”[1192]. She married secondly (1152 or before) as his second wife, Patrick Earl of Salisbury. Her second marriage is confirmed by Robert of Torigny who refers to the wife of "comes Patricius" as "filia Guillermi comitis Pontivi, matre comitisse de Warenna"[1193]. Thomas Becket Archbishop of Canterbury wrote to “Alæ comitissæ Warennæ” concerning the retention from the monks of Lewes of tithes from her dower lands, dated to [1162/74][1194]. The register of Lewes priory records the death “IV Id Dec” in 1174 of “domina Ala comitissa Surregiæ filia comitis de Belesme et uxor Willielmi tertii...anno xxvi post virum suum” and states that it is not known where she was buried (“ubi sepulta est nescitur”)[1195]. William [III] & his wife had one child:

        a) ISABELLE de Warenne (-[12 Jul 1203], bur Chapter House, Lewes). She succeeded her father in 1148 as Ctss of Surrey, suo iure. Robert of Torigny records that "filiam tercii Guillermi de Warenna" married "Guillermus filius Stephani regis"[1196]. Robert of Torigny records the marriage in 1164 of "Hamelinus naturalis frater regis Henrici" and "comitissam de Guarenna, relictam Willelmi comitis Moritoni filii Stephani regis, …filia tercii Willermi comitis de Guarenna"[1197]. "Hamelinus comes Guarennie" confirmed donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux made by "Guillelmus de Guarenna et comes Guillelmus filius eius", for the soul of "uxoris mee Ysabel", by undated charter, witnessed by "Guillelmum de Guarenna filium meum…"[1198]. m firstly (before 6 Nov 1153, maybe before [1148/49]) WILLIAM de Blois, son of STEPHEN King of England & his wife Mathilde Ctss de Boulogne ([1132/37]-11 Oct 1159, bur hospital of Montmorillon, Poitou). Earl of Warenne and Surrey, Lord of Pevensey and Norwich [1148/49], by right of his wife[1199]. He succeeded his brother in 1153 as Comte de Boulogne. He was disinherited from the throne of England by his father in Nov 1153. He succeeded his father in 1154 as Comte de Mortain. m secondly ([Apr] 1164) [as his second wife,] HAMELIN d’Anjou, illegitimate son of GEOFFROY V "le Bel/Plantagenet" Comte d’Anjou & his mistress --- (1130-7 May 1202, bur Chapter House, Lewes).

      • Citation:

        http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISH%20NOBILITY%20MEDIEVAL.htm#WilliamWarenneSurreydied1148

  6. William de Warenne, "Find A Grave Index"
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        Name William de Warenne
        Death Date 06 Jan 1148
        Birth Date Jun 1118
        Event Type Burial
        Photograph Included N
        Note Contains Biography

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        William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey, was the eldest son of William de Warenne, 2nd Earl of Surrey and Elizabeth de Vermandois.

        In April 1124, he married Eva Talvas, the daughter of William III of Ponthieude Montgomerie Talvas and Helie of Burgundy. They had one child, a daughter, Isabel, who was his heir. She married first William of Blois, second son of king Stephen, who became earl of Warenne (France)and Surrey (England). After he died without children in October 1159, she married Hamelin, half-brother of Henry II, who also became Earl of Warenne and Surrey. He took the de Warenne surname and their descendants carried on the earldom.

        William was generally loyal to king Stephen. He fought at the Battle of Lincoln (1141)and was one of the leaders of the army that pursued the empress Matilda in her flight from Winchester, and which captured Robert of Gloucester.

        He was one of the nobles that, along with his second cousin, king Louis VII of France, took crusading vows at Vezelay in 1146. He accompanied the initial army of the Second Crusade the next year. He was killed by a Turkish attack while the army was marching across Anatolia (modern day Turkey) on their way to the Holy Land.

        In December 1147 the French-Norman force reached the Biblical town of Ephesus on the west coast of Turkey. They were joined by remnants of the German army which had previously taken heavy losses at Dorylaeum. Marching across Southwest Turkey, they fought an unsuccessful battle against the Turks at Laodicea. This was on the border between the Byzantine Empire and the Seljuks of Rum (3-4 Jan 1148).

        On 6 Jan they battled again in the area of Mount Cadmus, where Turks ambushed the main train of infantry and non-combatants because the main force was too far forward. King Louis and his bodyguard of Templar Knights and Noblemen sallied forth in a classic example of chivalry to protect the poor and valiantly charged the Turks. Most of the knights were killed, including William, and Louis barely escaped with his life. His army arrived later at the coastal city of Adalia. The battle is recorded by Odo de Deuil, personal chaplain to Louis, in his book De Profectione - pp 68-127.

        Bio by Audrey DeCamp Hoffman. See, Wikipedia, "William de Warenne, 3rd Earl of Surrey", for more.

      • Citation:

        "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV2Y-2X6Z : 23 August 2022), William de Warenne, ; Burial, , ; citing record ID 84483516, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.

        https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/84483516/william-de_warenne

  7. Douglas Richardson: Royal Ancestry: A Study in Colonial & Medieval Families
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        WILLIAM DE WARENNE, 3rd Earl of Surrey, son and heir, probably born in 1119. In June 1137 he was one of the nobles who deserted the army of King Stephen in Normandy. The king pursued them to Pont-Audemer, where he held William and other youths and did his best to pacify them, but did not dare make them fight. William was with his half-brother, Waleran, Count of Meulan, at Rouen 18 Dec. 1138, and at Oxford in 1139 or early in 1140. He was in the army of King Stephen at the Battle of Lincoln 2 Feb. 1140/1, but fled with his brother, Count Waleran, before the enemy's opening charge. However, the brothers soon rallied to the queen during the king's captivity and were with her in London about June 1141. After King Stephen's release in Nov. 1141, he witnessed royal charters at Canterbury at Christmas 1141 and at Ipswich in early 1142. He married ELA (or ALA) OF PONTHIEU, daughter of Guillaume III Talvas, Count of Ponthieu and Alençon, by Ela, daughter of Eudes I Borel, Duke of Burgundy. They had one daughter, Isabel. He took the cross on Palm Sunday 24 March 1145/6, and subsequently accompanied King Louis VIII of France on crusade in June 1147. WILLIAM DE WARENNE, 3rd Earl of Surrey, died 19 Jan. 1147/8, being slain when the rearguard of the French king's army was cut to pieces in Laodicea. About 1150 Theobald, Archbishop of Canterbury, remonstrated with his widow, Ela, for detaining from the monks of Lewes Priory the tithes of her dower lands. She married (2nd) probably in or before 1152 (as his 2nd wife) PATRICK OF SALISBURY (otherwise known as PATRICK FITZ WALTER), 1st Earl of Salisbury [see LONGESPEE 3], hereditary Sheriff of Wiltshire, Steward of the Household to Empress Maud, son and heir of Walter of Salisbury (also known as Walter Fitz Edward), of Chitteme, Wiltshire, Great Gaddesden, Hertfordshire, North Aston, Oxfordshire, etc., hereditary Sheriff of Wiltshire, Constable of Salisbury Castle, by Sibyl, daughter of Patrick de Chaources (or Sourches) [see LONGESPEE 2 for his ancestry]. They had four sons, William [2nd Earl of Salisbury], Patrick [Canon of Bradenstoke], Philip [Canon of Bradenstoke], and Roger. He was created Earl of Salisbury (or Wiltshire) about 1143; he occurs once as Earl of Wiltshire in the period, 1111 50. He witnessed a charter of Henry d'Oilly in the period, 1144-47. Sometime before 1148 he witnessed a charter of Roger Fitz Humphrey to the Templars. In 1153 he witnessed the treaty between King Stephen and Henry, Duke of Normandy [future King Henry II]. After the accession of King Henry II, he continued to act as Sheriff and was frequently at Court. He witnessed a charter of his brother-in-law, John Marshal, to the Templars in 1155-6. At an unknown date, he gave Bradenstoke Priory the church of Wilcot, with its dependent chapel at Draycot Fitz Payne, as well as a portion of the manor of Wilcot, Wiltshire. He also exchanged the property in Wilsford, Wiltshire given by his father, for the rest of the manor of Wilcot, Wiltshire, and also gave a salt pit in Canford, Dorset. His wife, Countess Ela, gave the same priory land and rents in Hatherop, Gloucestershire worth 100s. yearly. In 1167 he accompanied King Henry II to Poitou, where the king assigned him to protect his queen, Eleanor of Aquitaine. PATRICK, Earl of Salisbury was slain about 7 April 1168 by Poitevin nobles while riding near the castle of Lusigan in Poitou with Queen Eleanor. He was buried in the Abbey of St. Hilaire in Poitiers. Queen Eleanor and her son, Richard, subsequently founded an anniversary at St.-Hilaire for their salvation and for the soul of Earl Patrick "who died in our service." His widow, Ela, Countess of Salisbury, died 10 Dec. 1174.
        Guizot Hist. des Ducs de Normandie par Guillaume de Jumiège (1826): 299 ("Guillaume Talvas Ce dernier eut deux fils et deux filles de son épouse Alix, qui avait eté mariée auparavant au duc de Bourgog

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