de Lisle, Robert 1a

Birth Name de Lisle, Robert
Gender male
Age at Death 41 years

Narrative

Name Suffix:<NSFX> Of Rampton & Nedging
ROBERT DE LISLE, son and heir, in 1264obtained a charter of free warren in his demesne lands of Rampton and Wilbraham, co. Cambridge, and Nedging, Suffolk. As Sir Robert de Insula he attested a Cambridgeshire charter about the same time. He was summoned for the campaign against Llewelyn in 1282.

He married, 1stly, before 1252, Mabel, widow of Hervey, baron of Stafford (died 1241), and daughter of Sir Robert DE MUSCEGROS, of Charlton, by Hawise, daughter and coheir of Sir William MALET, of Curry Malet. Robert de Lisle and Mabel quitclaimed to John de Muscegros 10 librates of land in Kemarton, co. Gloucester, which Mabel had in free marriage from her father, and for this and 200 marks John gave her 20 librates of land in Finborough, Suffolk. Robert married, 2ndly, Alice. He died in 1284. His widow was living in 1290. [Complete Peerage VIII:70, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

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Note: I have put Mabel's prior marriage in, but I am not sure it happened, and I haven't changed any estimated birth dates for Mabel to facilitate it happening. The CP entry for Hervey describes his wife Mabel as daughter of Richardde Mucegros (sic.), who I believe was father of Robert de Muscegros. Since Hervey died in 1241, and Robert de Lisle may well have not been born in 1241, it is very unusual for a widow to marry as her 2nd husband, a man who was not bornby the time her 1st husband died! So I think that the Mabel who married Hervey de Stafford was daughter of Richard and aunt of this Mabel who m. Robert de Lisle.

Events

Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth 1243 Rampton, Chesterton, Cambridgeshire, England   1b
Death 1284 Nedging, Cosford, Suffolk, England   2a

Age: 41y

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father Lisle, Robert12251262
Mother Fitz Gerold, Alice1224
         de Lisle, Robert 1243 1284
    Brother     de Lisle, Gerard 1248 1288-11-00
    Sister     de Lisle, Elizabeth 1260

Families

Family of de Lisle, Robert and Muscegros, Mabel De
Married Wife Muscegros, Mabel De ( * 1245 + 1284 )
   
Event Date Place Description Sources
Marriage 1252 2ND Husband 1St Wife Religious Marriage 3a
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
Lisle, Warin De12631296-12-07

Family of de Lisle, Robert and Lisle, Alice (Nmn-Robert)
Married Wife Lisle, Alice (Nmn-Robert) ( * 1250 + 1290 )
   
Event Date Place Description Sources
Marriage 1284 2ND Wife Religious Marriage 3b

Source References

  1. Terry Johnson: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=montanatrail&id=I39006 The Malting Pot
      • Source text:

        # ID: I39006
        # Name: Alice FITZGEROLD
        # Given Name: Alice
        # Surname: Fitzgerold
        # Prefix: Heiress Of Kingston Lisle 1 2 3 4
        # Sex: F
        # Birth: 1215 in Mundford, Thetford, Norfolk, England
        # Death: Bef 1284 in Kingston Lisle, Sparsholt, Berkshire, England 2
        # Note:

        Name Suffix:<NSFX> Heiress Of Kingston Lisle
        Gerard who had acquired the Berkshire manor of Kingston Lisle from his mother. [Burke's Peerage]

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        ROBERT DE LISLE, son and heir by 1st wife, married, by February 1239/40, Alice, daughter of Henry FITZGEROLD (died circa 1231),by Ermentrude TALBOT, and granddaughter of Henry FiTZGEROLD (died 1174-75), Chamberlain to Henry II. In 1260 he and his wife conveyed to Gerard de Lisle, their younger son (see LISLE of Kingston Lisle), her Mundford estate, and two years later Alice, as widow, confirmed the grant and released Gerard from payment of the rent of Ð10 which had been due to her late husband. She died in or before 1284. [CP VIII:70, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

        5
        # Change Date: 12 Jan 2004

         

         

        Father: Henry FITZGEROLD b: Abt 1175 in Deddington, Oxfordshire, England
        Mother: Ermentruda TALBOT b: Abt 1200 in Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England

        Marriage 1 Robert LISLE b: Abt 1222 in Rampton, Chesterton, Cambridgeshire, England

        * Married: Bef Feb 1240 6 7
        * Change Date: 14 Nov 2006

        Children

        1. Has Children Robert De LISLE b: Bef 1243 in Rampton, Chesterton, Cambridgeshire, England
        2. Has No Children Gerard De LISLE b: Abt 1248 in Kingston Lisle, Berkshire, England
        3. Has No Children Elizabeth De LISLE b: 1260 in Kingston Isle, Berkshire, Eng

         

        Sources:

        1. Abbrev: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles MosleyEditor-in-Chief, 1999
        Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles MosleyEditor-in-Chief, 1999
        Note:
        ABBR Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
        Page: 795
        Quality: 3
        2. Abbrev: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the UnitedKingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the UnitedKingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Note:
        ABBR Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: VIII:70
        Quality: 3
        3. Abbrev: GEDCOM File : emsuggs.ged
        Title: GEDCOM File : emsuggs.ged
        Author: Not Given
        Note:
        ABBR GEDCOM File : emsuggs.ged
        Not Supplied
        4. Abbrev: GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
        Title: GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
        Note:
        ABBR GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
        Page: 55
        Quality: 3
        5. Abbrev: TREE
        Title: http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GED&db=:3152034&id=I106707
        Author: robin lux
        6. Abbrev: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the UnitedKingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the UnitedKingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Note:
        ABBR Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: VIII:70
        7. Abbrev: GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
        Title: GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
        Note:
        ABBR GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
        Page: 55

         

         

      • Citation:

        e-mail: montanatrail@gmail.com

      • Source text:

        # ID: I39006
        # Name: Alice FITZGEROLD
        # Given Name: Alice
        # Surname: Fitzgerold
        # Prefix: Heiress Of Kingston Lisle 1 2 3 4
        # Sex: F
        # Birth: 1215 in Mundford, Thetford, Norfolk, England
        # Death: Bef 1284 in Kingston Lisle, Sparsholt, Berkshire, England 2
        # Note:

        Name Suffix:<NSFX> Heiress Of Kingston Lisle
        Gerard who had acquired the Berkshire manor of Kingston Lisle from his mother. [Burke's Peerage]

        --------------------------------------

        ROBERT DE LISLE, son and heir by 1st wife, married, by February 1239/40, Alice, daughter of Henry FITZGEROLD (died circa 1231),by Ermentrude TALBOT, and granddaughter of Henry FiTZGEROLD (died 1174-75), Chamberlain to Henry II. In 1260 he and his wife conveyed to Gerard de Lisle, their younger son (see LISLE of Kingston Lisle), her Mundford estate, and two years later Alice, as widow, confirmed the grant and released Gerard from payment of the rent of Ð10 which had been due to her late husband. She died in or before 1284. [CP VIII:70, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

        5
        # Change Date: 12 Jan 2004

         

         

        Father: Henry FITZGEROLD b: Abt 1175 in Deddington, Oxfordshire, England
        Mother: Ermentruda TALBOT b: Abt 1200 in Gainsborough, Lincolnshire, England

        Marriage 1 Robert LISLE b: Abt 1222 in Rampton, Chesterton, Cambridgeshire, England

        * Married: Bef Feb 1240 6 7
        * Change Date: 14 Nov 2006

        Children

        1. Has Children Robert De LISLE b: Bef 1243 in Rampton, Chesterton, Cambridgeshire, England
        2. Has No Children Gerard De LISLE b: Abt 1248 in Kingston Lisle, Berkshire, England
        3. Has No Children Elizabeth De LISLE b: 1260 in Kingston Isle, Berkshire, Eng

         

        Sources:

        1. Abbrev: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles MosleyEditor-in-Chief, 1999
        Title: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles MosleyEditor-in-Chief, 1999
        Note:
        ABBR Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
        Page: 795
        Quality: 3
        2. Abbrev: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the UnitedKingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the UnitedKingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Note:
        ABBR Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: VIII:70
        Quality: 3
        3. Abbrev: GEDCOM File : emsuggs.ged
        Title: GEDCOM File : emsuggs.ged
        Author: Not Given
        Note:
        ABBR GEDCOM File : emsuggs.ged
        Not Supplied
        4. Abbrev: GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
        Title: GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
        Note:
        ABBR GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
        Page: 55
        Quality: 3
        5. Abbrev: TREE
        Title: http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GED&db=:3152034&id=I106707
        Author: robin lux
        6. Abbrev: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the UnitedKingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Title: Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the UnitedKingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Note:
        ABBR Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
        Page: VIII:70
        7. Abbrev: GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
        Title: GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
        Note:
        ABBR GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
        Page: 55

         

         

      • Citation:

        e-mail: montanatrail@gmail.com

  2. Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the UnitedKingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000 Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the UnitedKingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Ltd, 2000
      • Page: VIII:70
  3. GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged GEDCOM File : 2746994.ged
      • Page: 55
      • Page: 55