Say, Isabel De [Lady Of Clune 1 2 3 4a 5a

Birth Name Say, Isabel De [Lady Of Clune
Gender female
Age at Death 69 years

Narrative

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Events

Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth 1130 Clun,Shropshire,England    
Death 1199 Of Oswestrie, Salopshire, England   6a

Age: 69y

Christening CD4069D3CB149F4985DA2138DBC205107AF4 23 Feb 2005    

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father Say, Elias [Ellis\Ingram] de, Lord of Clun11111166
Mother
         Say, Isabel De [Lady Of Clune 1130 1199

Families

Family of FitzAlan, William Lord of Oswestry,Sir and Say, Isabel De [Lady Of Clune

Married Husband FitzAlan, William Lord of Oswestry,Sir ( * 1105 + 1160 )
   
Event Date Place Description Sources
Marriage 1146 1st Husband 2ND Wife Religious Marriage 6b
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
Eaton, Robert De1145
Fitzalan, William Lord Of Oswestry & Clun, Sir11541210

Family of Vere, Geoffery De [Lord Clune] and Say, Isabel De [Lady Of Clune

Married Husband Vere, Geoffery De [Lord Clune] ( * 1130 + 1170 )
   
Event Date Place Description Sources
Marriage 1166 2ND HUSBAND Religious Marriage  

Family of Botreaux, William De Sir and Say, Isabel De [Lady Of Clune

Married Husband Botreaux, William De Sir ( * 1135 + 1220 )
   
Event Date Place Description Sources
Marriage 1188 Shropshire, England Religious Marriage  
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
Boterell, Reginald De11751272
Bottreaux, Emma de1175
Boterell, William De11771221

Source References

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  4. Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, by G. E Cokayne, Sutton Publishing Lt
      • Page: III:335
  5. Robert Lord: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rlord335&id=I3696 ROBERT LORD ANCESTORS
      • Source text:

        # ID: I3696
        # Name: Robert FitzPicot de SAY , Sheriff of Cambridge
        # Surname: Say
        # Given Name: Robert FitzPicot de
        # Suffix: , Sheriff of Cambridge
        # Sex: M
        # Birth: 1058 in SAI, ORNE, NORMANDY, FRANCE
        # Death: BEF 1094 in GUILDEN MORDEN, CAMBRIDGESHIRE, ENGLAND
        # Reference Number: 3696
        # _UID: 7165E9DCE565D611A0EBC0395DC100006EAE
        # Note:

        King William sought aggressive types for the office of sheriff whoseambitions were consisten t with his. Those willing to squeeze the peasantsto their maximum were the best qualified i n William's eyes. He institutedthe practice of selling the office to the highest bidder. Thi s broughtforth evil men willing to pay exorbitant prices for the office and thenwilling to d o whatever it took to recoup their investment. . . No onespoke out for the peasantry becaus e their only representative to the kingwas the very sheriffs embezzling them. The most notori ous was Picot,Sheriff of Cambridgeshire. . . . Monks describe him as:

        "a hungry lion, a prowling wolf, a crafty fox, a filthy swine, a dogwithout shame, who stuffe d his belly like an insatiable beast as thoughthe whole country were a single corpse."

        Note: I assume that the above quote refers to Robert Fitz Picot, since hewas in Camberidgeshi re at the time of William the Conqueror.

        King William sought aggressive types for the office of sheriff whoseambitions were consisten t with his. Those willing to squeeze the peasantsto their maximum were the best qualified i n William's eyes. He institutedthe practice of selling the office to the highest bidder. Thi s broughtforth evil men willing to pay exorbitant prices for the office and thenwilling to d o whatever it took to recoup their investment. . . No onespoke out for the peasantry becaus e their only representative to the kingwas the very sheriffs embezzling them. The most notori ous was Picot,Sheriff of Cambridgeshire. . . . Monks describe him as:

        "a hungry lion, a prowling wolf, a crafty fox, a filthy swine, a dogwithout shame, who stuffe d his belly like an insatiable beast as thoughthe whole country were a single corpse."

        Note: I assume that the above quote refers to Robert Fitz Picot, since hewas in Camberidgeshi re at the time of William the Conqueror.

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        # Change Date: 25 Nov 2002 at 00:00:00

         

         

        Father: Picot de SAY , of Clun b: ABT 1035 in SAI, ORNE, NORMANDY, FRANCE
        Mother: Mrs ADELOYES SAY WIDOW WILLIAM DE COIMIS b: 1035 in NORMANDY, , FRANCE

        Marriage 1 Mrs Robert SAY b: EST 1060

        Children

        1. Has Children Henry de SAY , Lord of Clun b: ABT. 1087 in Clun, Shropshire, England
        2. Has Children ROGER DE PICOT adopted b: ABT 1085 in COTTENHAM,CAMBRIDGESHIRE,ENGLAND

         

        Sources:

        1. Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968
        Page: 107

         

         

      • Citation:

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  6. Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition, Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
      • Page: 1985
      • Page: 1985