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Birth Name of Vermandois, Herbert IV
Gender male
Age at Death 47 years, 7 months, 3 days

Events

Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth 1032-07-20 Vermand, Aisne, Picardie, France   8a
Death 1080-02-23 Turkey   8b

Age: 47y 7m 3d

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father de Vermandois, Eudes10001045-05-25
Mother , Pavie9981045-05-24
    Brother     de Vermandois, Peter 1030
         of Vermandois, Herbert IV 1032-07-20 1080-02-23
    Brother     de Ham, Eudes Pied de Loup I 1034 1093

Families

Family of of Vermandois, Herbert IV and de Valois, Adelaide
Unknown Partner de Valois, Adelaide ( * about 1045 + 1080 )
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
de Vermandois, Adelaideabout 10651120-09-30
de Vermandois, Eudes l'insenseabout 1066about 1085

Source References

  1. David Meier: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jdp-fam&id=I5345 Royals, Rebels, Presidents, Paupers, Thinkers, and Thieves
      • Source text:

        ID: I5345
        Name: Eudes de Vermandois
        Prefix: Count
        Given Name: Eudes
        Surname: de Vermandois
        Sex: M
        _UID: E8052AFA5118D811BE490080C8C142CC81C8
        Change Date: 13 Jul 2004
        Birth: 1000 in Vermandois, Normandy, France
        Death: 25 MAY 1045

        Father: Herbert III de Vermandois b: ABT 954
        Mother: Ermengarde of Bar b: ABT 972

        Marriage 1 Parvie b: ABT 1005
        Married:
        Children
        Herbert IV Of Vermandois b: 1045 in Vermandois, Normandy, France
        Eudes I de Ham b: ABT 1034 in Vermandois, Normandy, France
        Peter de Vermandois b: ABT 1030

         

      • Citation:

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  2. Herbert IV, Count of Vermandois, "Wikipedia"
      • Source text:

        Herbert IV of Vermandois (1028–1080), Count of Vermandois, was the son of Otto of Vermandois and Parvie (Pavia or Patia).[1]

        Family and children
        Herbert married Adele of Valois, daughter of Ralph IV of Valois[2] and Adele of Bar-sur-Aube. They had:

        Adelaide, Countess of Vermandois, (b. Circa 1062 - d. September 23, 1120) - married first to Hugh Magnus,[3] son of Henry I of France and younger brother of Philip I of France, and second to Renaud II, Count of Clermont-Beauvaisis.
        Odo I, Count of Vermandois[4] (b. circa 1064 - d. after 1085)
        Gerard (b. 1066 - d. ?)
        Adelaide's husband, Hugh, inherited the countships of Vermandois and Valois upon Herbert's death.[a][5]

        Notes
        All of Herbert's lands would go to Hugh upon Herbert's death in 1080, giving the Capetians an important foothold.[5]
        References
        Le Jan 2003, p. 322, 535.
        Crouch 1986, p. 11.
        Suger 1992, p. 191-192.
        [De Genere Comitum Flandrisium Notae Parisiensis, in MGH, 1881 https://archive.org/details/sim_monumenta-germaniae-historica_1881/page/256/mode/2up]
        Gabriele 2008, p. 102.
        Sources
        Crouch, David (1986). The Beaumont Twins:The Roots and Branches of Power in the Twelfth Century. Cambridge University Press.
        Gabriele, Matthew (2008). "The Provenance of the Descriptio Qauliter Karolus Magnus: Remembering the Carolingians in the entourage of King Philip I (1060–1108) before the First Crusade". Viator. 39 (2). University of California Press: 93–117.
        Le Jan, Régine (2003). Famille et pouvoir dans le monde franc (VIIe-Xe siècle). Publications de la Sorbonne.
        Suger (1992). The Deeds of Louis the Fat. Translated by Cusimano, Richard C.; Moorhead, John. Catholic University of America Press.

      • Citation:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_IV,_Count_of_Vermandois

  3. Albert I, Herbert IV, Albert II and Eudes de Vermandois in the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy
      • Source text:

        ADALBERT [Albert] [I], son of HERIBERT [II] Comte de Vermandois & his wife Adela [Capet] (-8 Sep 987). Flodoard names "Adalbertus filius Heriberti"[250]. Under the division of territories organised after his father's death in 943, he became Comte de Vermandois. Comte Albert re-established the abbey of Homblières and built Mont-Saint-Quentin[251]. When his brother Hugues was deposed as archbishop of Reims in 948, Comte Albert gave up the family's struggle with Louis IV "d'Outremer" King of France and swore allegiance to the king. He opposed the election of Hugues Capet as king of France, but eventually submitted[252]. A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris lists (in order) "Albertus comes, Girberga comitissa, Harbertus, Otto, Lewultus, Girbertus, Gondrada, Ricardus, Harbertus comes, Walerannus laicus, Gisla…", the first four individuals named apparently being Comte Albert, his wife and three sons, and the last named maybe his brother or nephew[253].

        [m firstly HERESINDE, daughter of ---. According to the Histoire de Guise, Comte Albert constructed the abbey of Saint-Michel at Rochefort in 945 "d'accord avec la comtesse Hérésinde sa femme", while in 947 Hérésinde founded the nearby Benedictine convent of Bucilly[254]. The source assumes that this refers to Albert Comte de Vermandois, but his supposed first marriage is not mentioned by Settipani[255]. According to the introduction to the Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Bucilly, Bucilly was founded by "Gerberge, femme d'Albert I Comte de Vermandois" although it notes that "certains auteurs ont voulu faire remonter [sa foundation] à la libéralité de Hersinde femme d'Herbert Comte de Vermandois morte en 901"[256]. The Cartulaire reproduces a French translation of a declaration by Barthélemy Bishop of Laon dated 1120 entitled "Privilegium de domino Elberto, Viromandensi comite" according to which the bishop declares that he has read the original charter under which "Elbert comte de Vermandois…et sa femme Gertrude [error for Gerberge]" founded Bucilly[257]. Further research in the original charter documentation is needed to clarify this confusion, not the least of which is that, even if Hérésinde was not the wife of Comte Albert, no other reference has been found to her being the wife of Comte Héribert [I] (see above).]

        m [secondly] ([949/54]) GERBERGA, daughter of GISELBERT Duke of Lotharingia & his wife Gerberga of Germany ([935]-after 7 Sep 978). Settipani names her as the wife of Comte Albert, and gives her parentage, but does not cite the primary source on which this is based. A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris lists (in order) "Albertus comes, Girberga comitissa, Harbertus, Otto, Lewultus, Girbertus, Gondrada, Ricardus, Harbertus comes, Walerannus laicus, Gisla…", the first four individuals named apparently being Comte Albert, his wife and three sons, and the last named maybe his brother or nephew[258]. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage more precisely has not been identified.

        Comte Albert & his [second] wife had [four] children:

        1. HERIBERT [IV] ([954]-29 Aug [993]). A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris lists (in order) "Albertus comes, Girberga comitissa, Harbertus, Otto, Lewultus, Girbertus, Gondrada, Ricardus, Harbertus comes…", the first four individuals named apparently being Comte Albert, his wife and three sons, and the last named maybe his brother or nephew[259]. Héribert [IV] succeeded his father in 987 as Comte de Vermandois. m (before [982/86]) [as her first husband,] ERMENGARDIS, daughter of ---. "Comes Heribertus" names "materque mea Pavia…pater meus Otto, eius genitrix, avia mea Ermengardis" donated property to Notre-Dame de Homblières by charter dated [13 Jan/13 Oct] 1045[260]. According to Ernest Petit[261], Ermengardis was the widow of Milon [IV] Comte de Tonnerre. The author highlights a charter of Ermengardis Ctss de Vermandois witnessed by Renaud Comte de Tonnerre. He suggests that Comte Renaud would only have done this if he were the son of Ermengardis, although other explanations must be possible. Settipani points out[262] that Ermengardis is named as the wife of Héribert [IV] in a document of her father-in-law Albert [I] Comte de Vermandois, relating to the abbey of Homblières, dated some time between 982 and the death of Comte Albert (in 987). If the two marriages apply to the same Ermengardis, Comte Héribert must have been her first husband and Comte Milon her second. However, it is not clear that this suggested co-identity is correct, a simpler explanation being that there were two different individuals named Ermengardis. Ernest Petit also suggests[263] that Ermengardis (wife of Comte Milon) was heiress of Bar-sur-Seine, in order to explain how her granddaughter by Comte Milon, Eustachie, transmitted this county to her husband Gauthier de Brienne. He identified the father of Ermengardis as "Renaud Comte de Bar-sur-Seine" based on two charters, which he dated to 992 and 997, which name "Rainardus comes" whom he identifies with Rainard, son of miles Raoul de Bar, who is mentioned in the Chronicle of St Bénigne[264]. There appears to be no other evidence of the existence of this person, and Bouchard[265] points out that the dating of the two charters in question is uncertain. She suggests that it is more likely that "Rainardus" is identified with Renaud Comte de Sens or with "Rainaldus" son of Ermengardis. This of course leaves open the question how Bar-sur-Seine was transmitted to the Tonnerre family. Comte Heribert [IV] & his wife had two children:

        a) ALBERT [II] ([985/90]-[1 Feb 1015/1017]). The Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium names "Alberto Vermandensi comiti, fratri Ottonis"[266]. He succeeded his father in [1000] as Comte de Vermandois. He abdicated before 15 Jul 1010[267].

        b) EUDES [Otto] ([985/90]-25 May 1045). He succeeded in [1021] as Comte de Vermandois.

        - see below.

        2. OTTO ([950/55]-after 2 Nov [958/59]). "Ottonem, Alberti Vermandensium comitis filium" is named in the Gesta Episcoporum Cameracensium[268]. A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris lists (in order) "Albertus comes, Girberga comitissa, Harbertus, Otto, Lewultus, Girbertus, Gondrada, Ricardus, Harbertus comes…", the first four individuals named apparently being Comte Albert, his wife and three sons, and the last named maybe his brother or nephew[269]. Otto is named with his parents in a charter of Comte Adalbert dated 2 Nov [958/59][270]. same person as…? OTTO (-[986/87] or after). There appears to be no direct proof that Otto, ancestor of the Comtes de Chiny, was the same person as Otto, son of Adalbert Comte de Vermandois. The Historia Monasterii Mosomense records that "Ottonem comitem" built "castellum…Warcus" (Warcq, Ardennes) in 971, and suggests his affiliation when, in a later passage, it clarifies that "superius dictus Ottho erat comes, Otthonum…Romanorum imperatorum…germanissima progenies"[271]. The editor of the MGH SS edition of the Historia identifies Otto with the son of Adalbert Comte de Vermandois and Gerberge, daughter of Emperor Otto I's sister[272]. A subsequent passage of the Historia dates the foundation of the monastery to 24 Jul 971[273], implying that the events recorded earlier in the text predated this foundation. If this is correct, 971 seems early for Otto de Vermandois to have constructed Warcq in light of his estimated birth date (which appears reasonably robust). Gerbert, in a letter dated to Oct 986, records that "dux Cono pro suo Ottone insidias molitur"[274]. In the same letter, he also records that "Laudunensis episcopus" left "Dordingum" (Dourdon?) on the advice of "Ottonis et Heriberti" in support of "ducem" (which appears to refer to Hugues Capet). Settipani suggests that "Otto" in this text refers to the holder of Warcq[275]. However, all other passages in Gerbert's letters which name "Ottonis et Heriberti" (in that order) appear to refer to Eudes I Comte de Blois and his first cousin Héribert [V] Comte de Troyes. It is unclear from the full text of this letter whether "Ottone" and "Ottonis" relate to the same person. "Dux Cono" has not been identified, although it may refer to Konrad I Duke of Swabia. If this is correct, it is possible that the first "Ottone" is a different person from the second "Ottonis" as there is no other passage which links the Blois count to the Swabian duke. Settipani states that Otto died "between 986 and 987", without specifying the basis for this speculation[276].

        - COMTES de CHINY.

        3. LIUDOLF ([957]-before 9 Nov 986). A list of members of the Cathedral of Paris lists (in order) "Albertus comes, Girberga comitissa, Harbertus, Otto, Lewultus, Girbertus, Gondrada, Ricardus, Harbertus comes…", the first four individuals named apparently being Comte Albert, his wife and three sons, and the last named maybe his brother or nephew[277]. He was appointed Bishop of Noyon 978, consecrated 979.

        4. [ELEONORE . According to the Histoire de Guise, "Gauthier de Saint-Aubert avait épousé vers 986 une sœur du comte de Vermandois…Eleonore", the author speculating on the possibility of a relationship between Gauthier de Saint-Aubert and the later Seigneurs de Guise[278]. No other reference has been found to this couple. m ([986]) GAUTHIER de Saint-Aubert, son of ---.]

      • Citation:

        https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm#AlbertIdied987A

  4. Albert I, Herbert III, Otho (Otto), Herbert IV, Counts of Vermandois in Ancetral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700, pg. 134
  5. Herbert IV, Count of Vermandois, "Find a Grave Index"
      • Source text:

        Name Herbert IV, Count of Vermandois
        Birth Date 1028
        Death Date 1080
        Event Type Burial
        Photograph Included N

      • Citation:

        "Find a Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q295-V1KQ : 14 September 2023), Herbert IV, Count of Vermandois, ; Burial, , ; citing record ID 150250297, Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.

        https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150250297/herbert_iv%2C-count_of_vermandois

         

  6. Heribert IV (VI), comte de Vermandois, "GENi"
      • Source text:

        Heribert IV(VI) de Vermandois, comte de Vermandois
        Also Known As: "Herbert"
        Birthdate: circa July 20, 1032
        Birthplace: Vermandois, Normandy, France
        Death: circa February 23, 1080 (39-55)
        Tarsus, Cilicia, Asia Minor (Now Turkey)
        Immediate Family:
        Son of Eudes, comte de Vermandois and Pavie de Ham
        Husband of Adelais de Valois et du Vexin, Countess of Valois
        Father of Gerardus de Vermandois; Adèle de Vermandois, comtesse de Vermandois et Valois; Eudes II, comte de Vermandois; Béatrice de Vermandois and Wauthier "côtes de fer" Georgery
        Brother of Piers de Vermandois (Fictitious) and Simon de Vermandois, seigneur de Ham

         

        Occupation: Comte de Vermandois, Count of Valois, Comte de Vermandois (1045-1078), de Valois (1077-1078)

         

      • Citation:

        https://www.geni.com/people/Heribert-IV-VI-comte-de-Vermandois/6000000002043219697

  7. Heribert IV Comte de Vermandois et de Valois
      • Source text:

        BIOGRAPHY
        Herbert IV was born about 1032, the son of Otho, comte de Vermandois et de Valois, and his wife Pavie. He succeeded his father in 1045. About 1060 he married Adèle, comtesse de Valois, daughter of Raoul III de Valois, comte de Valois, Vexin, Crépy et Bar-sur-Aube, and Aelis, comtesse de Bar-sur-Aube. They had a son Otho who was declared to be feeble-minded and was disinherited by his father, and a daughter Adélaïde who became her father's heiress and would have progeny by both her husbands Hugues I Magnus, comte de Vermandois et de Valois, and Renaud, comte de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis.

        Heribert was present at the coronation of Philippe I, king of France, in 1077. He inherited a portion of the fiefs of his brother-in-law Simon, comte d'Amiens, Valois, Montdidier et Bar-sur-Aube, who died in Rome on 30 September 1080.

        Heribert died about 1080, but after 30 September that year.

        ---

        [S00301] Schwennicke, Detlev (Ed.), ~Europäische Stammtafeln, J.A. Stargardt Verlag, Marburg.
        3/1:55

        [S00104] Turton, Lt.Col. W. H., The Plantagenet Ancestry, Baltimore, 1975 .
        2

        [S00623] Weis, Frederick Lewis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists who came to America bef.1700, 7th Edition, 1992.
        51

      • Citation:

        https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00050025&tree=LEO

  8. KCXK-S69 FamilySearch.org
      • Source text:

        geni.com
        Heribert IV(VI) de Vermandois, comte de Vermandois
        Also Known As: "Herbert"
        Birthdate: circa July 20, 1032
        Birthplace: Vermandois, Normandy, France
        Death: circa February 23, 1080 (39-55)
        Immediate Family:
        Son of Eudes, comte de Vermandois and Pavie de Ham

        Husband of
        Adelais de Valois et du Vexin, Countess of Valois

        Father of
        Wauthier "côtes de fer" Georgery;
        Gerardus de Vermandois;
        Eudes II, comte de Vermandois;
        Adèle de Vermandois, comtesse de Vermandois et Valois and
        Béatrice de Vermandois

        Brother of Piers de Vermandois (Fictitious) and Simon de Vermandois, seigneur de Ham

         

        Occupation: Comte de Vermandois, Count of Valois, Comte de Vermandois (1045-1078), de Valois (1077-1078)

      • Citation:

        https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KCXK-S69

      • Source text:

        geni.com
        Heribert IV(VI) de Vermandois, comte de Vermandois
        Also Known As: "Herbert"
        Birthdate: circa July 20, 1032
        Birthplace: Vermandois, Normandy, France
        Death: circa February 23, 1080 (39-55)
        Immediate Family:
        Son of Eudes, comte de Vermandois and Pavie de Ham

        Husband of
        Adelais de Valois et du Vexin, Countess of Valois

        Father of
        Wauthier "côtes de fer" Georgery;
        Gerardus de Vermandois;
        Eudes II, comte de Vermandois;
        Adèle de Vermandois, comtesse de Vermandois et Valois and
        Béatrice de Vermandois

        Brother of Piers de Vermandois (Fictitious) and Simon de Vermandois, seigneur de Ham

         

        Occupation: Comte de Vermandois, Count of Valois, Comte de Vermandois (1045-1078), de Valois (1077-1078)

      • Citation:

        https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KCXK-S69