The Skaggs-Files

He married, in or before 1355, Joan (or Alice), when his father in that year settled on them by fine the manor of Nether Kellet. He died v.p. and s.p.m.] [Complete Peerage VI:532, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

--------------------------------

The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 14 Oct 2002, by Douglas Richardson, which identifies the wife of Robert de Holand:

From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry@msn.com)
Subject: Re: Elizabeth de Holand, bastard sister of Queen Philippe of Hainault
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-10-14 12:50:24 PST

As for Robert de Holand, Knt., 2nd Lord Holand, he seems to have led a quiet life and made little impact on the records of the time. This is in sharp contrast to his younger brother, Thomas de Holand, Earlof Kent, who was a famous warrior in the time period, and one of the founders of the Knights of the Garter. Also, I find no record in which either Robert deHoland, his wife, Elizabeth, or their descendants were styled kinfolk by King Edward III or any successive king, saving the one reference I have already cited. Consequently, proving that Robert de Holand's wife, Elizabeth, is identifical with Elizabeth de Holand, bastard sister of Queen Philippe, might well be a difficult task.

As for Robert de Holand's eldest son, Robert, I find that heserved in the retinue of the King and Prince Edward in the campaign of 1346-47. In 1347 the abbot of Furnes complained he violated the abbot's liberties in Lonsdale Hundred, co. Lancaster. He married in or before 1355 (date of settlement) Alice de Lisle, daughter of John de Lisle (presumably 2nd Lord Lisle of Rougemont). They had one daughter and heiress, Maud. He was living 10 May 1367,and died sometime before 16 Mar. 1372/3. His widow, Alice, married (2nd) before 1372/3 (date of settlement) (as his 2nd wife) Edmund de Hemegrave, Knt., of Hengrave, Little Wratting, Mutford, Westley, etc., Suffolk and Fordham, co. Cambridge, son and heir of Thomas de Hemegrave, Knt., by his 1st wife, Isabel. Hewas born about 1321 (aged 28 in 1349). They had no issue. Sir Edmund de Hemegrave died testate 4 Feb. 1379. His widow, Alice, married (3rd) Richard Wychingham, of Wychingham, Norfolk. They had no issue. She left a will dated 12 Aug. 1401, proved 19 Jan. 1401/2.

The following sources pertain to Robert de Holand, the younger, and his wife, Alice de Lisle:

Blomefield 4: 88. Suckling, pg. 271. J. Gage, Hist. & Antiq. of Hengrave in Suffolk (1822), pp. 81-94. Calendar of Patent Rolls, 1364-1367 (1912), pg. 393. VCH Lancaster 8 (1914): 2,139. Complete Peerage 6 (1926): 532. G. Paget, Baronage of England (1957) 289: 1. List of Inq. ad Quod Damnum 2 (PRO, Lists and Indexes, No. 22) (repr. 1963): 580,593.

Alice de Lisle's identity, parentage, and successive marriages are not mentioned in Complete Peerage. So, this is yet another addition for Complete Peerage for Chris Phillips' website.

For interest sake, the followingcolonial immigrants descend from Robert de Holand, Knt., 2nd Lord Holand (died1373), and his wife, Elizabeth, possible bastard sister of Queen Philippe:

1. Essex Beville.
2. Charles Calvert.
3. Mary Launce (two descents).
4. Thomas Lunsford.
5. Herbert Pelham.
6. William Poole.
7. Maria Johanna Somerset.

Likewise, the following colonial immigrants descend from Margaret de Holand, wife of Marmaduke de Lumley, who is likely the daughter of Robert de Holand, Knt., 2nd Lord Holand.

1. Charles Calvert.
2. John Fenwick.
3. William Poole.
4. Richard Saltonstall.
5. Maria Johanna Somerset.
6. Olive Welby.
7. Thomas Wingfield.

Information on the specific descents down to the individualcolonists will be found in the forthcoming book, Plantagenet Ancestry, soon tobe released. The book is still available for a short time at a special prepublication price for newsgroup members. Please contact me at my e-mail address below for details on ordering the book.

Best al