of Menteith, Muireadhach II 1 2a

Birth Name of Menteith, Muireadhach II
Nick Name The Younger
Gender male
Age at Death 64 years

Narrative

MAURICE the younger, brother. He was one of the Seven Earls who took measures for the Coronation of Alexander II [SCT], 6 December 1214, and attended the funeral of his father, William the Lion, at Arbroath.4 days later. In 1224 (September 5) he witnessed at Stirling a charter of Alexander II to the abbey of Paisley; and in March 1225/6, as Earl of Menteith and sheriff of Stirling, was witness to a confirmation by that King to the abbey of Cambuskenneth. [Complete Peerage VIII:660]

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Murethach or Murdach, second Earl of Menteith. c 1180-1213. The second Earl of Menteith whose name has been ascertained is Murethach or Murdach. No evidence of relationship between him and Earl Gilchrist, his immediate predecessor in the earldom, has been discovered. But, according to chronology, Murdach probably was the son of Gilchrist, and the immediate inheritor of the earldom, although at that early date mere possession of the territorial earldom would give right to the dignity.

Murethach, Earl of Menteith, was one of the witnesses to an agreement made in the year 1199 or 1200, between Gilbert, prior, and the canons fo St Andrews, and the Culdees of that place, respecting certain teinds, which were in dispute between them. The prior and canons thereby granted to the Culdees the teinds of their lands of Kingask, Kinnakelle with Petsporgin and Petkennin, Lethin with Kinninis, Kernis with Cambrun, the rest being retained in the hands of the canons for marriages, purifications, obligations, baptisms, and burials, those of the Culdees being excepted, who might bury where they chose. The Culdees were to have all the teinds and revenus of Kilglassin, except baptisms and burials, inasmuch as the Culdees had given to the canons the lands of Tristirum in perpetuity, freely and quielty, as the Culdees themselves had held that town.

From this agreement it appears that Earl Murdach succeeded to the earldom between the years 1180 and 1200, towards the end of the reign of King William the Lion. He died during the reign of that sovereign, before the year 1213. [Red Book of Menteith I:6]

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Paul in "Scots Peerage" and Cokayne in "Complete Peerage" seem to believe that Murdach and the elder Maurice are one in the same persons, however the chronology of the lineage would tend to support the findings of Fraser in "The Red Book of Menteith."

Events

Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth 1170 Menteith, Loch Rusky, Stirlingshire, Scotland   3a
Death 1234-01-00 Perth, Perthshire, Scotland   3b

Age: 64y

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father Menteith, Gilchrist1143-04-001214
Mother Gilchrist, Agatha11511178
    Sister     Menteith, Eva 1167 1241
         of Menteith, Muireadhach II 1170 1234-01-00
    Brother     Mentieth, Maurice 1170 1213-12-13

Families

Family of of Menteith, Muireadhach II and Menteith, Mary
Married Wife Menteith, Mary ( * about 1185 + 1272 )
   
Event Date Place Description Sources
Marriage about 1200     3c
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
of Menteith, Isabella11801272
Menteith, Katherine of Strathearn11971286
, Henryabout 1205
Menteith, Mary12201286
de Menteith, Maurice 3rd Earl of Menteith1230

Source References

  1. Paul, James Balfour, Sir, 1846-1931, ed. dn: The Scots peerage; founded on Wood's edition of Sir Robert Douglas's peerage of Scotland; containing an historical and genealogical account of the nobility of that kingdom
  2. SCOTLAND, EARLS CREATED 1162-1398 - Maurice
      • Source text:

        MAURICE (-[Mar 1226/Jan 1234]). A notification dated 20 Sep 1261 refers to the inspection of a charter of William King of Scotland which records the the lawsuit between "Mauricium seniorem de Monent" and "Mauricium juniorem fratrem eius" concering "com[itatu] de Monet"[67]. Earl of Menteith following the resignation of his older brother 6 Dec 1213. He was one of the seven earls who took measures for the coronation of Alexander II King of Scotland in 1214[68]. "Mauricio comite de Menteth…" subscribed the charter dated 5 Sep 1224 under which Alexander II King of Scotland confirmed the donation to Paisley by "Maldovenus comes de Levenax"[69]. "…Mauricio comite de Menteth vicecomite de Striueling…" witnessed the charter dated 27 Mar 1226 under which King Alexander II confirmed "ecclesia de Kirkintulach" to Cambuskenneth priory[70].

        m ---. The name of Maurice’s wife is not known.

        Maurice & his wife had [two] children:

        a) [ISABEL (-[Jan 1264/1272]). She succeeded her father as Ctss of Menteith, suo iure. She and her second husband were kept prisoners until they agreed to transfer the earldom of Menteith to the late earl's nephew John Comyn and were later expelled from Scotland. m firstly ([30 Jun 1233/9 Jan 1234]) WALTER Comyn Lord of Badenoch, son of WILLIAM Comyn Earl of Buchan & his first wife Sarah FitzHugh (-Nov 1258). m secondly JOHN Russell, son of --- (-before Jan 1291).

        b) [MARY (-[before 1286]). m WALTER Stewart "Bailloch/the Freckled", son of WALTER FitzAlan High Steward of Scotland & his wife Beatrice of Angus (-before 28 Apr 1295). Earl of Menteith [1260], de iure uxoris.

        Maurice had one [illegitimate] child by [an unknown mistress]:

        c) HENRY .

        ** from Wikipedia listing for Muireadhach II, Earl of Menteith as of 10/31/2020

        Muireadach II of Menteith (also written as Murethach, Murdoch or Maurice), ruled 1213-1231, was the son of Gille Críst and the third known Mormaer of Menteith. Muireadach gained the Mormaerdom by challenging the rights of the current Mormaer, his elder brother, also called Muireadhach, hence Muireadhch Mór (in English, "the elder"). The case apparently went to arbitration, and the king decided on the right of Muireadhch Óg. On 13 December 1213, Muireadhach Mór resigned the Mormaerdom, taking lesser lands and titles in compensation.

        Muireadhach Óg was one of the seven mormaers present at the coronation of King Alexander II of Scotland in 1214, and Muireadhach accompanied the king in the funeral cortège of his father and predecessor, King William of Scotland. Muireadhach Óg appears again in the company of the king in 1224, when he appears on a charter issued at Stirling granting rights to Paisley Abbey. In a document dating to 1226, Muireadach is referred to as "Sheriff of Stirling". He had no legitimate sons, but two daughters, Isabella (Iosbail), who married a Comyn, and Maria (Màire), who married a Stewart; both became countesses in their own right.

        Muireadach died before January 1234, when his successor appears with the comital title for the first time.

        Bibliography

        Paul, James Balfour, The Scots Peerage, Vol. VI, (Edinburgh, 1909)

        Roberts, John L., Lost Kingdoms: Celtic Scotland in the Middle Ages, (Edinburgh, 1997), pp. 52

      • Citation:

        https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/SCOTTISH%20NOBILITY%20LATER.htm#MaryMenteithdiedbefore1286

  3. GXPV-L5Z FamilySearch.org
      • Source text:

        About Maurice 'the Younger' Menteith, 3rd Earl of Menteith
        Notes
        ◦1 - Of the original line of the Earls of Menteith only three are known— Gilchrist, Murdoch, and Maurice. On the death of Earl Maurice, about the year 1226, his title and estates descended to his daughter, Isabella, the wife of Walter Comyn, second son of the first Earl of Buchan.

        2 - Muireadach II of Menteith, or Muiredach âOg, (also written as Murethach, Murdoch or Maurice), ruled 1213-1234, is the third known Mormaer of Menteith. Muireadach gained the Mormaerdom by challenging the rights of the current Mormaer, his elder brother, also called Muireadhach, hence Muireadhch Mâor (in English, "the elder"). The case apparently went to arbitration, and the king decided on the right of Muireadhch âOg. On December 13, 1213, Muireadhach Mâor resigned the Mormaerdom, taking lesser lands and titles in compensation . Muireadhach âOg was one of the seven mormaers present at the coronation of King Alexander II of Scotland in 1214, and Muireadhach accompanied the king in the funeral cortáege of his father and predecessor, King William of Scotland. Muireadhach âOg appears again in the company of the king in 1224, when he appears on a charter issued at Stirling granting rights to Paisley Abbey. In a document dating to 1226, Muireadach is referred to as "Sheriff of Stirling".

        He had no legitimate sons, but two daughters, Isabella (Iosbail), who married a Comyn, and Maria (Máaire), who married a Stewart; both became countesses in their own right.

        Muireadach was dead by January, 1234, when his successor appears with the comital title for the first time.

        Links

        http://www.cyberancestors.com/cummins/PS91_267.HTML
        Sources

        1.[S265] Colquoun_Cunningham.ged, Jamie Vans
        2.[S285] London 1910. Alan Sutton, 1982, G E C, (London 1910. Alan Sutton, 1982)
        3.[S332] www.electricscotland.com

        see thepeerage.com pg 512 (copied from merge)

      • Citation:

        https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GXPV-L5Z

      • Source text:

        About Maurice 'the Younger' Menteith, 3rd Earl of Menteith
        Notes
        ◦1 - Of the original line of the Earls of Menteith only three are known— Gilchrist, Murdoch, and Maurice. On the death of Earl Maurice, about the year 1226, his title and estates descended to his daughter, Isabella, the wife of Walter Comyn, second son of the first Earl of Buchan.

        2 - Muireadach II of Menteith, or Muiredach âOg, (also written as Murethach, Murdoch or Maurice), ruled 1213-1234, is the third known Mormaer of Menteith. Muireadach gained the Mormaerdom by challenging the rights of the current Mormaer, his elder brother, also called Muireadhach, hence Muireadhch Mâor (in English, "the elder"). The case apparently went to arbitration, and the king decided on the right of Muireadhch âOg. On December 13, 1213, Muireadhach Mâor resigned the Mormaerdom, taking lesser lands and titles in compensation . Muireadhach âOg was one of the seven mormaers present at the coronation of King Alexander II of Scotland in 1214, and Muireadhach accompanied the king in the funeral cortáege of his father and predecessor, King William of Scotland. Muireadhach âOg appears again in the company of the king in 1224, when he appears on a charter issued at Stirling granting rights to Paisley Abbey. In a document dating to 1226, Muireadach is referred to as "Sheriff of Stirling".

        He had no legitimate sons, but two daughters, Isabella (Iosbail), who married a Comyn, and Maria (Máaire), who married a Stewart; both became countesses in their own right.

        Muireadach was dead by January, 1234, when his successor appears with the comital title for the first time.

        Links

        http://www.cyberancestors.com/cummins/PS91_267.HTML
        Sources

        1.[S265] Colquoun_Cunningham.ged, Jamie Vans
        2.[S285] London 1910. Alan Sutton, 1982, G E C, (London 1910. Alan Sutton, 1982)
        3.[S332] www.electricscotland.com

        see thepeerage.com pg 512 (copied from merge)

      • Citation:

        https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GXPV-L5Z

      • Source text:

        About Maurice 'the Younger' Menteith, 3rd Earl of Menteith
        Notes
        ◦1 - Of the original line of the Earls of Menteith only three are known— Gilchrist, Murdoch, and Maurice. On the death of Earl Maurice, about the year 1226, his title and estates descended to his daughter, Isabella, the wife of Walter Comyn, second son of the first Earl of Buchan.

        2 - Muireadach II of Menteith, or Muiredach âOg, (also written as Murethach, Murdoch or Maurice), ruled 1213-1234, is the third known Mormaer of Menteith. Muireadach gained the Mormaerdom by challenging the rights of the current Mormaer, his elder brother, also called Muireadhach, hence Muireadhch Mâor (in English, "the elder"). The case apparently went to arbitration, and the king decided on the right of Muireadhch âOg. On December 13, 1213, Muireadhach Mâor resigned the Mormaerdom, taking lesser lands and titles in compensation . Muireadhach âOg was one of the seven mormaers present at the coronation of King Alexander II of Scotland in 1214, and Muireadhach accompanied the king in the funeral cortáege of his father and predecessor, King William of Scotland. Muireadhach âOg appears again in the company of the king in 1224, when he appears on a charter issued at Stirling granting rights to Paisley Abbey. In a document dating to 1226, Muireadach is referred to as "Sheriff of Stirling".

        He had no legitimate sons, but two daughters, Isabella (Iosbail), who married a Comyn, and Maria (Máaire), who married a Stewart; both became countesses in their own right.

        Muireadach was dead by January, 1234, when his successor appears with the comital title for the first time.

        Links

        http://www.cyberancestors.com/cummins/PS91_267.HTML
        Sources

        1.[S265] Colquoun_Cunningham.ged, Jamie Vans
        2.[S285] London 1910. Alan Sutton, 1982, G E C, (London 1910. Alan Sutton, 1982)
        3.[S332] www.electricscotland.com

        see thepeerage.com pg 512 (copied from merge)

      • Citation:

        https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GXPV-L5Z