JohnDE Warren

de Warenne, John 1a 2a

Birth Name de Warenne, John
Gender male
Age at Death 61 years

Narrative

John de Warenne (30 June 1286 – June 1347), 7th Earl of Surrey or Warenne, was the last Warenne earl of Surrey.
He was the son of William de Warenne, the only son of John de Warenne, 6th Earl of Surrey. His mother was Joan, daughter of Robert de Vere, 5th Earl of Oxford. Warenne was only six months old when his father died, and was 8 years old when his mother died. He succeeded his grandfather as earl when he was 18. He was knighted along with the Prince of Wales, the future Edward II, in 1306. From that time onwards he was much engaged in the Scottish wars.

He was one of the great nobles offended by the rise of Edward II's favorite Piers Gaveston, and helped secure Gaveston's 1308 banishment. The two were somewhat reconciled after Gaveston's return the next year, but in 1312 Warenne was one of the nobles who captured Gaveston. He was however unhappy about Gaveston's execution at the behest of the earl of Warwick, which pushed him back into the king's camp.

The baronial opposition was led by the king's cousin Thomas, Earl of Lancaster, and he and Warenne became bitter enemies. Private war erupted between the two, and over the next few years Warenne lost a good part of his estates to Lancaster.

Warenne was one of the four earls who captured the two Roger Mortimers, the uncle and the nephew, and in 1322 he was one of the nobles who condemned to death the earl of Lancaster.

Warenne and his brother-in-law Edmund Fitzalan, 9th Earl of Arundel, were the last two earls to remain loyal to Edward II after the rise to power of Queen Isabella and Roger Mortimer. After Arundel's execution he went over to the queen's side, urging Edward II's abdication in 1327.

He was the guardian of his cousin Edward Balliol, and after Balliol lay claim to the Scottish throne, accompanied him on his campaign in Lothian. Balliol created Warenne earl of Strathern, but this was in name only for the properties of the earldom were held by the Scots.

Warenne died in 1347 and is buried at the monastery of Lewes. He was succeeded as earl by his nephew Richard Fitzalan, who was also earl of Arundel.

On 25 May 1306 Warenne married Joan of Bar, daughter of count Henry III of Bar and Eleanor of England, eldest daughter of king Edward I of England. The two were soon estranged and lived apart, and had no children, though the marriage was never dissolved.

Warenne instead had a long partnership/relationship with Matilda de Nerford, with whom he had several illegitimate children, and later with Isabella Holland, sister of Thomas Holland, later earl of Kent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_de_Warenne,_7th_Earl_of_Surrey

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Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Volume 59, by Thomas Frederick Tout:
...
Warenne left numerous illegitimate children. His children by Matilda de Nerford, named
1. John and
2. Thomas, who were living in 1316, had apparently died before him.
3. He had a Welsh son named Ravlyn, who in 1334 joined in the attack of the Hope garrison on Ralph Butler.
The sons mentioned in the will are:
(1) Sir William de Warenne, the largest legatee, to whom his father had in January 1340 granted 122 acres of waste from the manor of Hatfield, Yorkshire, at a rent of 10l. a year (Cal. Pat. Rolls, 1338–40, p. 411).
(2) Edward de Warenne, the same probably as the Sir Edward de Warren who, by his marriage with Cicely de Eton, heiress of the barons of Stockport, established himself at Poynton and Stockport, Cheshire, and was the ancestor of the later Warrens of Poynton, barons of Stockport. It was in honour of the last male representative of this house, Sir George Warren (d. 1801), that John Watson, rector of Stockport, wrote his elaborate ‘History of the Earls of Warren or Surrey,’ in which he vainly sought to prove the legitimate descent of his benefactor from Reginald de Warren, the son of Earl William (d. 1138) [q. v.] of the elder Norman house, and to urge that the earldom ought to be revived in his favour. The early arms of this family suggest that Matilda de Nerford was Edward's mother.
(3) Another William de Warenne, prior of Horton, Kent, to whom his father bequeathed his French bible.
There were also three daughters:
(4) Joan de Basing;
(5) Catharine; and
(6) Isabella, a canoness of Sempringham.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Warenne,_John_de_(1286-1347)_(DNB00)

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English Aristocracy. Born the only son of William de Warenne, eldest son of John de Warenne, 7th Earl of Surrey. His father was killed at Croydon in December 1286, where he is said either to have been killed due to a tournament accident or to have been ambushed after attending a tournament and murdered by rivals, leaving his only son heir to the earldom. After his grandfather's death in 1304, he succeeded to the title becoming the 8th Earl of Surrey. Between 1306 and 1315 he married Joan de Bar, but they either separated or divorced shortly thereafter, and there were no children. He was noted for his opposition to Edward II’s favorite, Piers Gaveston, however, he later supported the king against the Lords Ordainers, a baronial committee seeking to restrict the king’s powers. He remained one of the king's supporters for the remainder of his reign. He was very involved in the Scottish Wars under Edward III. He joined with his cousin Edward Balliol in his attempt to gain the Scottish throne and received from him the Scottish title of Earl of Strathern in 1332, though he never held those lands. He died at 61 at Conisborough in Yorkshire without any direct heirs, the titles passed to his nephew Richard Fitzalan.

Bio by: Iola

Events

Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth 1286-06-30 Sussex, England   3
Death 1347-06-30 Conisbrough Castle, Yorkshire, England   3

Age: 61y 0m 0d

Burial 1347 Lewes Priory, Lewes, Sussex, England Burial 3

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father de Warenne, William V1256-02-091286-12-15
Mother de Vere, Joan12641293-11-23
    Sister     Warenne, Angharad about 1283 1358
         de Warenne, John 1286-06-30 1347-06-30
    Sister     de Warenne, Alice 1287-06-15 1338-05-23
    Brother     Warren, Griffen 1288 1338

Source References

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        ID: I24361
        Name: Joan de Vere
        Given Name: Joan
        Surname: de Vere
        Sex: F
        _UID: 2489A7EAFD50D811BE490080C8C142CC92C2
        Change Date: 5 Feb 2004 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4
        Birth: 1264 in Oxford, Oxfordshire, England 4 4
        Death: 23 NOV 1293 in Lewes, Sussex, England 5 4 5

        Father: Robert de Vere b: 1230 in Hedinham, Essex, England
        Mother: Alice de Sanford b: 1231 in England

        Marriage 1 William V de Warenne b: 12 JAN 1255/56
        Married: JUN 1285 6 7 4
        Children
        Alice de Warenne b: ABT 1277 in Warren, Sussex, England
        John de Warenne b: 30 JUN 1286

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        Title: Garner, Lorraine Ann "Lori" (P.O. Box 577, Bayview, Idaho 83803)
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        Her sources included, but may not be limited to: Burke's Landed Gentry, Burke's Dormant & Extinct Peerage, Burke's Peerage of American Presidents, Debrett's Peerage, Oxford histories & "numerous othe r reference works"

        very good to excellent, although she has a tendency to follow Burke's

        Hardcopy notes of Lori Garner Elmore.
        Page: Vere
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        Abbrev: Garner, Lorraine Ann "Lori"
        Title: Garner, Lorraine Ann "Lori" (P.O. Box 577, Bayview, Idaho 83803)
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        Her sources included, but may not be limited to: Burke's Landed Gentry, Burke's Dormant & Extinct Peerage, Burke's Peerage of American Presidents, Debrett's Peerage, Oxford histories & "numerous othe r reference works"

        very good to excellent, although she has a tendency to follow Burke's

        Hardcopy notes of Lori Garner Elmore.
        Page: Warenne
        Text: d of Robert de Vere E of Oxford, no mother
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        Text: ca Jun 1285.
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        Title: Garner, Lorraine Ann "Lori" (P.O. Box 577, Bayview, Idaho 83803)
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        Her sources included, but may not be limited to: Burke's Landed Gentry, Burke's Dormant & Extinct Peerage, Burke's Peerage of American Presidents, Debrett's Peerage, Oxford histories & "numerous othe r reference works"

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        Text: bef Sep 1283

         

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        Book: Coles Of Devon, 1867 (25.html)
        by James Edwin-Cole

        http://ephotocaption.com/a/25/1391150.pdf

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        Source 7:www Genealogy or pedegree of the .... Sir William Cole... written in 1630 by Segar, William, Sir, -1633
        Notes
        There are 33 pages of Charts of the Cole Family and the collateral lines drawn from the original Cole Pedigree dated 1585. This is copied from the original Roll, in the possession of the Right Honourable the Earl of Enniskillen.

        This information was compiled by Sir William Segar, Garter in 1630, referencing the family of Thomas Cole who compiled the Escheats. William Segar, Garter was the Principall King of Armes. Wikipedia: Sir William Segar (c. 1554–1633) was a portrait painter and officer of arms to the court of Elizabeth I of England; he became Garter King of Arms under James I. He had the responsibility of granting coats of arms to noble families.

        THE PEDIGREE AS IT RELATES TO THE BODRUGAN FAMILY CONTAINS ERRORS. Firstly, it incorrectly shows that Henry Bodrugan the son of Otto, and his wife Isabelle Whalesborough, had 3 sons: William, Otto & Nicholas. This is wrong. the 3 sons were in fact his brothers. Henry died, aged 20, leaving no issue, his next heir being his brother William. This is evident from Henry's IPM. Secondly, the pedigree conflates William the bastard son of Otto Bodrugan with William Bodrugan the son of Ralph Treneweth. This is an unreliable source in so far at it relates to the Bodrugan family.

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        "Find A Grave Index," database, FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVKJ-TJ3W : 30 May 2020), John De Warenne, ; Burial, , ; citing record ID , Find a Grave, http://www.findagrave.com.

      • Citation:

        Find A Grave Index

        Name:
        John De Warenne

        Event Type:
        Burial

        Event Place:
        Lewes, Lewes District, East Sussex, England

        Event Place (Original):
        Lewes, Lewes District, East Sussex, England

        Age (Estimated):
        61

        Photograph Included:
        N

        Cemetery:
        Lewes Priory

        Note:
        Contains Biography

        Affiliate Record Identifier:
        51615273

        Affiliate Image Identifier:
        51615273

      • Source text:

        Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith, page 181-182

      • Citation:

        John de Warenne (June 30, 1286 ? June 1347), 8th Earl of Surrey or Warenne, was the last Warenne earl of Surrey.

        He was the son of William de Warenne, the only son of John de Warenne, 7th Earl of Surrey. His mother was Joanna, daughter of Robert de Vere, 5th Earl of Oxford.

        Warenne was only six months old when his father died, and was 7 years old when his mother died. He succeeded his grandfather as earl when he was 19.

        He was one of the great nobles offended by the rise of the Edward II's favorite Piers Gaveston, and help secure Gaveston's 1308 banishment. The two were somewhat reconciled after Gaveston's return the next year, but in 1311 Warenne was one of the nobles who captured Gaveston. He was however unhappy about Gaveston's execution at the behest of the earl of Warwick, which pushed him back into the king's camp.

        The baronial opposition was led by the king's cousin Thomas, Earl of Lancaster, and he and Warenne became bitter enemies. Private war erupted between the two, and over the new few years Warenne lost a good part of his estates to Lancaster.

        Warenne was one of the four earls who captured the two Roger Mortimers, and in 1322 he was one of the nobles who condemned to death the earl of Lancaster.

        Warenne and his brother-in-law Edmund Fitzalan, 9th Earl of Arundel were the last two earls to remain loyal to Edward II after the rise to power of Queen Isabella and Roger Mortimer. After Arundel's execution he went over to the queen's side, urging Edward II's abdication in 1327.
        He was the guardian of his cousin Edward Balliol, and after Balliol lay claim to the Scottish throne, accompanied him on his campaign in Lothian. Balliol created Warenne earl of Strathern, but this was in name only for the properties of the earldom were held by another claimant.
        Warenne died in 1347 and is buried at the monastery of Lewes. He was succeeded as earl by his nephew Richard Fitzalan, who was also earl of Arundel.
        On May 25, 1306 Warenne married Jeanne of Bar, daughter of count Henry III of Bar and Eleanor, eldest daughter of king Edward I of England. The two were soon estranged and live apart, and had no children, though the marriage was never dissolved.

        Warenne instead took up with Matilda de Nerford, by whom he had several illegitimate children, and later with Isabella Holland, sister of Thomas Holland, later earl of Kent.
        (Wikipedia)

        John de Warren, last Earl of Warren and Surrey, married Joan de Barre, daughter of Henry de Barr and Alianore, eldest daughter of King Edward I, in 1305. John made his last will at his castle of Konigsborough, on the 24th of June, 1347, and died the 30th. In it he mentions his son William, and son Edward, "mon filz" to receive ?20. Also mentions daughters Johanna, Katherine and Isabelle. In 1316 he made a charter mentioning his two sons John and Thomas, but they died in the lifetime of their father. This Edward therefore was born after 1316. This is by far the most remarkable name which occurs in this will; for we venture to think that the discovery of the existence of a son of the last Earl of Warren, who bore the name of Edward, was all that was wanted to destroy the argument of the author of the House of Warren (Watson) in which he labours to show that the Warrens of Poynton, in Cheshire, did not descend, as was generally believed, from an illegitimate son of this John Warren, last Earl, but from some junior member of the 1st House of Warren. Mr. Watson admits that the Warrens of Poynton descend from an Edward Warren, who must have been a contemporary of this Edward Warren. Vincent makes him son of John, son of John, the last Earl. (See Generations 6 and 7.) It is sure that the Warrens of Poynton bore arms which this Edward would naturally assume, those of his father John Warren, last Earl, and of his mother Maud Nehrford; the Warren arms with a canton of Nehrford. And further there has always been a strong tradition that the Warrens of Poynton did descend from an illegitimate son of the last Earl, the first undoubted ancestor of the Poynton Warrens.
        The above would throw out Generation No. 6, John, son of John, last Earl. This Edward Warren was a son, and not a grandson, of the last Earl. Either way it would give descent from Robert de Vere.
        (Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith, page 181-182)

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        James Anderson, D.D., Royal Genealogies (Volume II), Table 491, Page 742 (right center).

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