de Macon, Ermengarde 1

Birth Name de Macon, Ermengarde
Gender female
Age at Death 46 years

Narrative

 

 

Note: AR has Herbert III de Vermandois as her 2nd husband, but the noted French genealogist Settipani has Herbert as her 1st husband and Milo IV as her 2nd. The sourced dates seem to work better following AR (which is why I am leaving them alone); however, if Settipani is correct (and he is an expert), then Herbert III would have died before 992 (Settipani has Ermengarde's son by Milo, Renaud b. abt 993), and Herbert & Ermengarde's son Otto would have been born before 992/3 instead of about 1000.

 

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This is an excerpt from a post to SGM (full post is in notes under Ermengarde de Tonnerre), 5 Dec 1998, by Settipani, the noted French genealogist:

The Ascendancy of Ermengarde of Tonnerre : Part II

 

 

The family of Ermengardis (no 5), widow of Herbert, not the reverse, is not « Bar-sur-Seine » (one misunderstanding hypothesis of E. Petit: such a dynasty does not exist at this time). She was, I think, the daughter of Alberic II of Macon and his second wife.

 

Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
Page: Ed Mann, 15 Jun 1998
Text: following Stuart's "Royalty for Commoners" (according to Settipani, a mistake)

Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Shippard Jr., 1999
Page: 50-20
Text: no date, 2nd husb ,Ermengarde of Bar (according to Settipani, a mistake)

Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com
Page: Settipani, 5 Dec 1998
Text: 1st husband

Events

Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth 972 Macon, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France   2
Death 1018     3

Age: 46y

Parents

Relation to main person Name Birth date Death date Relation within this family (if not by birth)
Father de Macon, Alberic II953975
Mother de Roucy, Ermentrude Adelaide9631005-03-05
         de Macon, Ermengarde 972 1018
    Sister     Macon, Beatrice 975

Families

Family of de Tonnerre, Milo IV and de Macon, Ermengarde
Unknown Partner de Tonnerre, Milo IV ( * 966 + 1000 )
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
de Tonnerre, Renaud9901039-07-16

Family of de Vermandois, Herbert III and de Macon, Ermengarde
Unknown Partner de Vermandois, Herbert III ( * 955 + ... )
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
de Vermandois, Eudes10001045-05-25
De Vermandois, Otto