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- [source4071139842] Martha, http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=lamdem&id=P2869836725
LAMSON DEMERITT FAMILY TREE, (Publication Date: 15 JUN 2009
Media: Website / URL).
- [source4071145117] Charles Tiplady Pratt, A History of Cawthorne, (Publication Date: 1882
Media: Book), pages 15-24.
Gives detailed acct of Ailric and his posterity down to John de Lungvillers, who had a daughter Margaret that Married the Neville line...
https://archive.org/stream/ahistorycawthor00pratgoog#page/n38/mode/2up
Gives more information on the Swein line of Ailric...
https://books.google.com/books?id=OEcJAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=lungviller+line&source=bl&ots=2grbw7egHy&sig=tZccbQK8c0pd3D8DEq-nPmuOqt4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiXgZXlkpLMAhWFnIMKHbgcCg04ChDoAQggMAI#v=onepage&q=lungviller%20line&=false
- [source4071145119] Matilda FitzSwain, Wife of Adam de Montbegon, Book ‘Final Concords of Lancaster’, Pages 56, 57 & 58.
Roger de Montbegon (c. 1165-1226) was another of the group of hard-line opponents of King John referred to by contemporaries as ‘the Northerners’. Roger was the son of Adam de Montbegon and his wife Maud, daughter of Adam FitzSwain. His family held the barony of Hornby in Lancashire and other estates in Nottinghamshire, Lincolnshire and the West Riding of Yorkshire.
In Richard I’s reign Roger had been a close supporter of John, then count of Mortain, joining him in his rebellion against the king during the latter’s imprisonment in Germany, and suffering temporary forfeiture of his estates as a result. In 1199 he offered 500 marks (about £333) to John, by now king, for the marriage of Olivia, widow of Robert FitzJohn, whom he shortly took as his wife. In the new reign Roger found himself in receipt of fewer favours than he had expected, and as early as 1205, when trouble was brewing in the north following John’s loss of Normandy, he was suspected of disaffection. Not surprisingly, he had many ties of association with other northern malcontents, notably Eustace de Vesci and William de Mowbray, to both of whom he stood surety for the repayment of debts to the king. In 1214 he was one of four members of the future Twenty Five who from the start resisted payment to the king of tax in lieu of military service in Poitou – the others being de Vesci, Mowbray and Richard de Percy. In the wake of John’s rejection of Magna Carta and the outbreak of civil war he was active on the baronial side but managed to avoid involvement in the baronial defeat at Lincoln. With de Percy, he made his peace with the new regime in August 1217.
Roger spent much of the next three years engaged in a bitter struggle for the recovery of his Nottinghamshire manors of Clayworth, Oswaldbeck and North Wheatley. Throughout the process he faced stubborn opposition and delaying tactics from the sheriff of Nottingham, Philip Mark, a former ally of John and a possible real-life model for the sheriff of Nottingham of the Robin Hood ballads. Roger himself, however, proved overbearing, and determined to get his own way. In 1220 he was accused of holding onto stock which he had seized ‘contrary to the king’s peace and the statutes of the realm’. A decision on his right to present a deputy to represent him in a duel was postponed since he was, in the court’s words, ‘a great man and a baron of the lord king’. When the Nottinghamshire court insisted on holding onto some of his own stock which had been distrained, he withdrew from the court exclaiming that, if it would not restore that stock, he would see to it himself. The constable of Nottingham then asked him three times ‘by the counsel of the court’ that he should return to hear the consideration of the court. This he refused to do. It was said in the court that if he had not been a great man and a baron of the king ‘his person might well have been detained for so many transgressions’. Roger, for all his involvement in the campaign to subject royal authority to the law, was not so keen on application of the same idea in his own case.
BY PROFESSOR NIGEL SAUL, ROYAL HOLLOWAY, UNIVERSITY OF LONDON.
Below is written down from a deed and grant info about Olivia's parentage and her great grandfather Adam Swein. Please note that her grandmother is that of Maud Malherbe, and NOT Amabel her sister. There is a discrepency in the record because the name has not been transposed correctly. This is why the mother of Olivia is skewed and doesn't make sense. It is written in record in complete peerage that mother Maud is the person that married John Malherbe instead in the records. Check discussion below this one...
Yorkshire Archaelogical Society - Yorkshire Deeds Volume IV
Relations between Adam fitz Swain’s daughters and their Bretton half brothers
Under the heading of “Cawthorne” on page 40 are given details of a grant from Olyva de la Mare, in her widowhood, to her son, Richard de Thornhill.. Olyva de la Mare was grand-daughter of Adam fitz Swain and would therefore be related to the Brettons, albeit they were illegitimate. It is interesting to see that all the six witnesses were Knights and included Sir John Lunguilers (Longuilers)( who married another of Adam’s grand-daughters), Sir William Bretton, and another of her sons, Sir Richard de Tankersley (Tancreslay). The notes state that the date of the deed (many early deeds were undated) was clearly before 1254 (when Sir John Longuilers died)
he full details of the deed, as recorded, and, in particular the notes attached are as follows :-
Grant by Olyva de la Mare in her widowhood to Richard de Thornhil her son, for his homage, of all her land in the vill of Calthorn, which she had of Sir Geoffrey de Nevill and Mabel his wife in exchange for her land in the vill of Culgaith, of which there was a plea between them before the justices of Carlisle (Caridiolum) ; to have and to hold in accordance with a quitclaim and charter of confirmation which Richard had from William de Arci the grantor’s son and heir ; at the annual rent to the grantor and her heirs of a pound of cumin at Martinmas. Witnesses, Sir John de Lunguilers, Robert de Stapeltona, William de Brettona, Adam de Mirfeud, Adam de prestona, knts., Richard de Tancreslay.
The notes attached say :-
“This deed gives rise to several points of difficulty. The date is clearly earlier than 1254 when Sir John de Longvillers died (Yorks Inq. I. 40). Mabel de Nevill, daughter of William de la Mare and widow of Geoffrey de Nevill, made a grant to Monk Bretton 1249 - 53. (Farrer, Early Yorkshire Charters no. 1648). For her descent through her mother, Mabel Malherbe, from Adam son of Swain, who had Cawthorne see ibid p. 318. Culgaith had formed part of Swain’s lordship in Cumberland - ibid p. 317 and Mr W. Farrer has given me a reference to a Cumberland Fine of 1232 (file 2 - No. 13) in which Geoffrey de Nevill and Mabel his wife acknowledged, after a plea of warranty of charter, a moiety of the manor to be the right of William son of John. With regard to Olyva her interest in Culgaith would appear to have arisen either by reason of dower or by reason of inheritance from Adam son of Swain ; and the former is almost certainly ruled out by the fact that in this deed the rent reserved for the Cawthorne property was to her “and her heirs”. The latter suggestion that she was a descendant of Adam, being another daughter of William de la Mare and Mabel Malherbe, and using her maiden name in dealing with her own inherited property, would seem to invite acceptance. A William de Arcy, possibly her son mentioned in this deed held of Norman de Arcy 4 fees in Flixborough and elsewhere in County Lincolnshire 1242-3 (Book of Fees ii, 1077); and, with regard to the Thornhill connection Whitaker (Loidis and Elmete page 31) says that Olivia de la Mar married Sir John de Thornhill, who was living 21 Henry III and had issue Sir Richard de Thornhill but he does not guarantee his history of the Thornhill family, which was based on Hopkinson.
- [source4071145116] G8VP-ZWH
FamilySearch.org, (Publication Date: 19 JAN 2023
Media: Website / URL).
EYC v.3 p.318 shows that Matilda, da of Adam fitz Swain was married three times.
By Adam de Montbegon who died before 1172, she had issue Roger de Montbegon d.s.p. 1227.
Her second husband was John Malherbe of Appleby, Lincs. d.1181, by whom she had three children - John Malherbe d.s.p. bef 1216; Mabel, wife of William de Lemare; and Clemence, wife of Eudes de Longviliers.
Maud married thirdly Gerard de Glanvill but had no issue by him.
A succession of charters to the monastery of Monk Bretton, which Adam fitz Swein founded, indicates that her eventual heirs were her grandchildren, Mabel de Lemare, wife of Geoffrey de Nevill, and John de Longviliers, by her second husband John Malherbe.
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G8VP-ZWH
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