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- [source03569] Richard Hodgson, http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=ancestorsearch&id=I40762
Ancestors of a 21st century British family, (Publication Date: 08 MAY 2006
Media: Website / URL).
ID: I40762
Name: Peter Le Clerc
Sex: M
Residence: Thornton, Cheshire
_UID: BEAA5E1DE3DA483191ACC3533B41DE29EFFF
Change Date: 8 MAY 2006
Father: David Le Clerc de Malpas b: 1185 in Malpas, Cheshire
Mother: Catherine Vaughan
Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown
Children
Agnes Thornton
Randle De Thornton b: 1162
mail@ancestorsearch.co.uk
- [source04016] Michael Neuman, http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=michaelrneuman&id=I029383
Neuman-Smith-Goodale Family and Ancestors, (Publication Date: 05 DEC 2007
Media: Website / URL).
ID: I029383
Name: Peter "le Clerc" De Malpas 1
Sex: M
Birth: ABT 1147 in Malpas, Cheshire, England 1
Birth: ABT 1147 in Thornton, Cheshire, England
Note: Secretary to the Earl of Cheshire
Father: William II Le Belward De Malpas b: ABT 1115 in Malpas, Cheshire, England
Mother: Tanghurst De Chester b: ABT 1125 in Chester, Cheshire, England
Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown
Children
Sir Randle De Thornton , Lord of Thornton b: ABT 1175 in Thornton, Cheshire, England
Sources:
Title: ralph III brereton.ged
Repository:
Media: Other
Text: Date of Import: 29 Mar 2005
Descendants and ancestors of George Smith and Eva Goodale
michaelneuman@earthlink.net
- [source4071150653] FabPedigree: Peter le CLERC (de THORNTON), (Publication Date: 27 MAR 2024
Media: Website / URL).
/ -- poss. John le BELWARD (Cheshire 1093? - ?)
/ -- Richard(?) le BELWARD
/ -- William le BELWARD (1120? - ?)
| \ / -- Hugh CALMUNDELEI
| | / -- Robert CALMUNDELEI
/ \ -- poss. Lettice CALMUNDELEI
- Peter le CLERC (de THORNTON)
\ / -- Ansfried (II) le GOZ + ====> [ 255 ,c,pt,&]
| / -- Thurstan (de/le) GOZ (1000? - 1041+)
| / \ -- prob. not Thyra BJORNSDOTTIR of D. + ====> [ 2]
| / -- Richard `le Goz' of CREULLY
| | \ -- Judith de MONTROLIER (1004? - ?)
| / / or: Turnvisa
| / -- Hugh `le Gros' d' AVRANCHES (1048? - 1101)
| | \ / -- Robert de GRANDMESNIL
| | \ -- Emma(?) of GRANDMESNIL (1031? - ?)
| / / OR: prob. not Emma de CONTEVILLE + ====> [ 255 ,gc,t,&]
| / -- Hugh 'Lupus' CHESTER (1073? - ?)
| | \ / (skip this generation?)
| | | / -- Renaud (I; Count) de CLERMONT + ====> [ 6]
| | | / / OR: poss. Renaud de CLERMONT [alt ped] + ====> [ 255 ,gc,&]
| | | / -- Hugh (I) de CREIL (de CLERMONT)
| | | / \ -- Ermengardis CLERMONT-EN-BEAUVAISIS + ====> [ 2]
| | \ -- poss. Ermentrude de CLERMONT
| | \ / -- Hildouin III de MONTDIDIER + ==&=> [ 255 ,gC,t,&]
| | | / / or: prob. not Hilduin IV (q.v. : Hildouin's son)
| | \ -- Marguerite de ROUCY (ROUCI)
| | \ -- Adelaide (Isabelle) of ROUCY + ==&=> [ 255 ,H,&]
| / / or: prob. not Adelaide de RHEIMS (q.v. : Adelaide's daughter-in-law)
| / -- Robert FitzHUGH (d' AVRANCHES) (1090?? - 1120??)
| / \ -- poss. Matilda (skip?)
\ -- Mabella FitzHUGH (1123? - ?)
/ or: Leticia (Mabella's sister)
https://fabpedigree.com/s000/f435954.htm
- [source4071150654] Geneanet: Peter le CLERC (de THORNTON) Le Belward, (Publication Date: 27 MAR 2024
Media: Website / URL).
Born about 1145
Parents
sosa William le BELWARD, Le Belward, born about 1128
Married to
sosa Mabella Fitzhugh, ou Marbella FitzROBERT, De Chester, born about 1129
Spouses, children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren
Married to sosa Ne, De Thornton, born about 1146 with
M sosa Randal le ROTER (Seigneur/Lord) de THORNTON, (Randle) De Thornton ca 1163-ca 1244 Married to sosa Cicely de KINGSLEY, De Kingsley ca 1160 with
F sosa Margery (ROTER; de) THORNTON, De Thornton ca 1181 Married to sosa William (Sir; des Brereton) de BRERETON, De Brereton ca 1179-1216/ with :
M sosa Ralph (de Brereton) de BRERETON, De Brereton ca 1210
F sosa Cecily de THORNTON , De Thornton Married to sosa Henry (John) de Methly, De Methly with :
M sosa John (de Waterton) ,de Methly, De Methly ca 1305
M Randolph (Randal) (Seigneur de) THORNTON, De Thornton ca 1200 Married to Cicely (Amicia) de KINGSLEY, De Kingsley
Siblings
M sosa Peter le CLERC (de THORNTON) Le Belward ca 1145 Married to sosa Ne, De Thornton ca 1146
M sosa William BELWARD (EGERTON), ou William le BELWARD (Seigneur) de MALPAS, Le Belward ca 1170 Married to sosa Béatrice de KEVIELIOCK, De Kevelioc ca 1179
https://gw.geneanet.org/foullon?lang=en&n=le+belward&oc=0&p=peter+le+clerc+de+thornton
- [source4071150655] Geni: Sir Piers "le Clerc" de Thornton, Lord of Thornton, (Publication Date: 19 JUN 2021
Media: Website / URL).
Piers (Peter) "le Clerc" de Thornton
Gender: Male
Birth: circa 1200
Malpas, Chesire, England
Death: 1254 (49-58)
Thornton-le-Moors, Cheshire, England
Immediate Family:
Son of Sir David "le Clerc," Baron of Malpas and Margaret verch Einion
Husband of Marilda Unknown
Father of Randle Le Roter de Thornton, KT and Agnes de Thornton
Brother of William de Malpas; Christiana de Malpas and Philip de Malpas
About
Piers (Peter) le Clerc, was granted Thornton-le-Moors, which was confirmed by Sir John de Arderne, in a charter attested by Philip de Orreby, Justice of Chester; Roger de Montalt, and others, after the succession of Sir John de Arderne to the Lordship of Aldford, by grant of Randle de Blundeville, Earl of Chester. Peter was the secretary to this Earl of Chester.
It is stated by Collins, on the authority of the Egerton Pedigree, that Peter was the younger son of David le Clerc, lord of the moiety of the Barony of Malpas. The same descent is frequently given among the Cheshire pedigrees, and in the copy of "Booth's Pedigrees," a reference, for confirmation of this fact, is expressly made to an original charter then in the possession of the writer and numbered XXXIII in his collections.
Randle, sixth Earl of Chester, by deed without date, granted to this Peter a boat, and the right of fishing on the Dee from Chester to Eaton; and by another deed, missing the date, granted to Peter, an acquittance from attendance on the court of the shires of hundred and pleas of the forests, from puture of serjeants of the peace, and payment of pannage in the earl's forest. [Harl. MSS. 2131, p. 34] Peter the Clerk has a son and heir, Randle; and a daughter named Agnes, who married William de Blore.
~George Ormerod's "The History of County Palatine and City of Chester, Vol II," p. 15
• Background Information. 924 Sometimes during the reign of King John, Thornton part of the fee of Aldford. Richard de Aldford comfirmed a grant of Thornton to Peter le Clerc, the Secretary of the Earl of Chester. Collins, on the authority of the Egerton Pedigree, states that Peter le Clerc was a younger son of David le Clerc, lord of the moiety of the Barony of Malpas. Peter le Cleric's son, Randle assumed the name le Roter, and was the godson of Randle, Earl of Chester. Peter le Clerc is sometimes called Peter de Thornton, from the place of his residence.
~ "Notitia Cestriensis": or "Historical Notices of the Diocese of Chester," p. 146 footnote 2
Peter was the 3rd son of Sir David de Malpas "le Clerk," took the surname of Clerk.
Immediate Family
Showing 8 people
Marilda Unknown
wife
Randle Le Roter de Thornton, KT
son
Agnes de Thornton
daughter
Sir David "le Clerc," Baron of M...
father
Margaret verch Einion
mother
William de Malpas
brother
Christiana de Malpas
sister
Philip de Malpas
brother
https://www.geni.com/people/Sir-Piers-le-Clerc-de-Thornton-Lord-of-Thornton/6000000026831956534
- [source4071150656] Peter le Roter - Our Royal, Titled, Noble, and Commoner Ancestors & Cousins, (Publication Date: 04 APR 2020
Media: Website / URL).
Peter le Roter Secretary of Randle Blundeville, Earl of Chester. He was born at of Thornton, Cheshire, England.
Family
Children
Agnes le Roter
Randall de Roter (Rutter), Lord Thornton+
Citations
[S11217] Unknown author, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester, by George Ormerod, 1819, p. 15.
https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p1216.htm#i36516
- [source4071150657] George Ormerod, The History of the County Palatine and City of Chester, (Publisher: Lackington, Hughes. Harding, Mavor, and Jones
Publication Date: 1819
Media: Book).
- [source4071150650] G2L1-W29
FamilySearch.org, (Publication Date: 27 MAR 2024
Media: Website / URL).
Peter is known by several names reflecting his adult status.
The Visitation shows David (Malpas-165) as Peter's father, and David in turn the son of William Belward,[16] and was also known as Dan David de Mallpas Clericus.[18]
Tait was sceptical of Peter being the son of David le Clerc of Malpas, stating the relationship was inferred from the name le Clerc and invalidated because le Clerc was Peter's official title.[1]
Also:
As Peter de Thorneton, he was lord of the Thorneton manor, which he had been given in reward for his service. Since he acquired Thornton in his lifetime, he was not born Thornton; and since secretary to the Earl was his job during life, he was not Clerk at birth. He was not born with either name.
If his father was David de Malpas, his own surname at birth would most likely have been de Malpas. If his father was not David de Malpas, it is unclear what his "last name at birth" might have been.
Source: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Malpas-216
Two factors make it difficult to maintain the connection between David and Peter le clerk: First, no documentation has been found linking the two persons; and second, as efforts are made to date the lives of both David and Peter, it increasingly appears that they are contemporaries, rather than father and son. [wikitree]
Piers (Peter) le Clerc, was granted Thornton-le-Moors, which was confirmed by Sir John de Arderne, in a charter attested by Philip de Orreby, Justice of Chester; Roger de Montalt, and others, after the succession of Sir John de Arderne's to the Lordship of Aldford, by grant of Randle de Blundeville, Earl of Chester. Peter was the secretary to this Earl of Chester.
It is stated by Collins, on the authority of the Egerton Pedigree, that Peter was the younger son of David le Clerc, lord of the moiety of the Barony of Malpas. The same descent is frequently given among the Cheshire pedigrees, and in the copy of Booth's Pedigrees, a reference, for confirmation of this fact, is expressly made to an original charter then in the possession of the writer and numbered XXXIII in his collections.
Randle, sixth Earl of Chester, by deed without date, granted to this Peter a boat, and the right of fishing on the Dee from Chester to Eaton; and by another deed, missing the date, granted to Peter, an acquittance from attendance on the court of the shires of hundred and pleas of the forests, from puture of serjeants of the peace, and payment of pannage in the earl's forest. [Harl. MSS. 2131, p. 34] Peter the Clerk has a son and heir, Randle; and a daughter named Agnes, who married William de Blore.
~George Ormerod's The History of County Palatine and City of Chester, Vol II, p. 15
• Background Information. 924 Sometimes during the reign of King John, Thornton part of the fee of Aldford. Richard de Aldford comfirmed a grant of Thornton to Peter le Clerc, the Secretary of the Earl of Chester. Collins, on the authority of the Egerton Pedigree, states that Peter le Clerc was a younger son of David le Clerc, lord of the moiety of the Barony of Malpas. Peter le Cleric's son, Randle assumed the name le Roter, and was the godson of Randle, Earl of Chester. Peter le Clerc is sometimes called Peter de Thornton, from the place of his residence.
~Notitia Cestriensis: Or Historical Notices of the Diocese of Chester, p. 146 footnote 2
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/G2L1-W29
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Abt 1165 - 1254 (~ 89 years)
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