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- [source4071153373] ProjectMedlands Upper Lotharingia - Nobility, (Publication Date: 21 JAN 2023
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Chapter 8. COMTES d'IVOIS et de WOEVRE B. COMTES de CHINY1. OTTO [II] (-1131 or after).- - -m (before 1097) ALIX de Namur, daughter of ALBERT III Comte de Namur & his wife Ida of Saxony.- - -Otto [II] & his wife had seven children:f) ADALBERO (-[26] Mar 1145). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "quoque episcopus Albero Leodiensis", stating that he recovered "Bullonium per beatum Lambertum", and his sister "comitissa Lovaniensis que comiti Lovanii peperit primum Godefridum comitem", specifying that they were "de prosapia Namucensi"[600], the latter expression being one used by Alberic to indicate maternal ancestry. The passage follows that dealing with the family of Alix de Namur and her husband "comiti Ottoni de Chisneio", although the parentage of the Bishop of Liège and his sister is not specified precisely. Bishop of Liège 1136. The Continuatio Gemblacensis of Sigebert's Chronica records the death in 1136 of "domnus Alexander Leodicensium episcopus" and the succession of "domnus Adelbero ex clero Mettensi" as bishop[601]. "Albero...Leodiensis ecclesiæ episcopus" restored Stablo, referring to the unlawful claims made by "avunculum nostrum Namucensem comitem Godefridum" and by "germanus noster Eustachius Leodii advocatus" who occupied "villam Turnines", by charter dated 1139[602]. The Aegidii Aurævallensis Gesta Episcoporum Leodiensium records the succession of "Alberonem...secundum primicerium Metensis ecclesie, iuvenem...de prosapia Namucensi...sororis sue filius esset dux Lovanii Godefridus filius predicti G. ducis"[603]. The Continuatio Gemblacensis of Sigebert's Chronica records war in 1140 between "Alberonem episcopum Leodicensem" and "Heinricum comitem Namucensem" after the comte de Namur invaded "opidum...Fossis" and burnt the town and "monasterio beati Foillani"[604]. The Continuatio Gemblacensis of Sigebert's Chronica records the death in 1145 of "Adelbero Leodicensis episcopus" and the succession of "Heinricus...ex clero sancti Lamberti, secundus huius nominis presul"[605]. The Aegidii Aurævallensis Gesta Episcoporum Leodiensium records the death in 1155 [error for 1145] of Bishop Adalbero "Ortide" after holding office for 15 years and his burial "Ortine...VI Kal Apr"[606].
ProjectMedlands Upper Lotharingia - Nobility (https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/LOTHARINGIAN (UPPER) NOBILITY.htm), Cit. Date: 21 Jan 2023.
- [source4071153374] historieeurope.fr - Albert Ier de Chiny, (Publication Date: 21 NOV 2023
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- [source4071153375] Wikipedia (F) - Albert Ier de Chiny, (Publication Date: 21 NOV 2023
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- [source4071153376] Foundation for Medieval Genealogy - Albert de Chiny, (Publication Date: 19 AUG 2024
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ALBERT (-29 Sep 1162). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Hugo et comes Albertus et Fredericus Remensis ecclesie prepositus" as sons of "Ottonem comitem [de Cinni]"[596]. The estimated date of Albert’s marriage ([1140]) suggests that he was considerably younger than his sister Ida (whose marriage is dated to [1105]). Is it possible that they were born from different mothers? Comte de Chiny.
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- [source4071153377] Our royal, titled, noble and commoner ancestors - Albert, Count of Chiny, (Publication Date: 19 AUG 2024
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Albert, Count of Chiny1,2
Last Edited 4 Apr 2020
M, #27082, d. 29 September 1162
Father Otto II, Count of Chiny & Warcq d. Mar 1131
Mother Alix (Adelaide) de Namur b. 1068, d. a 1124
Charts Some Descendants of Charlemagne
Albert, Count of Chiny married Agnes von Bar, daughter of Renaud I, Count of Bar-le-Duc, Mousson, Brie, & Verdun and Gisela of Vaudemont, circa 1140.2,3 Albert, Count of Chiny died on 29 September 1162.2
Family
Agnes von Bar d. a 1185
Children
Ludwig III, Count of Chiny, Seigneur d'Orgeo+4 d. 10 Aug 1189
Ida von Chiny+4,3 d. 17 Oct
Alix de Chiny+5,4
Dietrich de Melier, Seigneur de Melier, d'Etalle, & de Neufchateau+ d. a 1207
(Miss) de Chiny+6
Citations
[S5255] Unknown author, Europaische Stammtafeln by Isenburg, chart 42.
[S2] Detlev Schwennicke, Europaische Stammtafeln, New Series, Vol. I/2, Tafel 227.
[S2] Detlev Schwennicke, Europaische Stammtafeln, New Series, Vol. XXVII, Tafel 6.
[S2] Detlev Schwennicke, Europaische Stammtafeln, New Series, Vol. XXVI, Tafel 59.
[S11569] Europaische Stammtafeln, by Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, Vol. III, Tafel 628.
[S11600] 40000 Ancestors of the Counts of Paris, Person 32-301.
https://our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p902.htm#i27082
- [source4071153370] G3WN-Q7L
FamilySearch.org, (Publication Date: 19 AUG 2024
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ALBERT de Chiny, son of OTTO [II] Comte de Chiny & his wife Alix de Namur (-29 Sep 1162, bur Orval). The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Hugo et comes Albertus et Fredericus Remensis ecclesie prepositus" as sons of "Ottonem comitem [de Cinni]"[622]. The estimated date of Albert’s marriage ([1140]) suggests that he was considerably younger than his sister Ida (whose marriage is dated to [1105]). Is it possible that they were born from different mothers? The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comes Albertus" as son of "comes Otto de Cisneio" and his wife Alix[623]. "Arnulfus…comes" founded the priory of Sainte-Valpurge at Chiny, confirmed by "filiorum meorum Ottonis et Ludovici, nurus…meæ Adeleid", by charter dated 1097, later confirmed by "Ottonis comitis et Frederici præpositi Remensis et Alberti comitis filiorum eius et Adadis comitissæ et Guillelmi avocati"[624]. A charter dated 30 Sep 1124 notifies the consecration of the church of Orval, in the presence of “Otto comes de Cisney cum sua uxore Adelada et filiis suis...Frederico Remensis ecclesiæ præposito et Alberto post patrem comite”[625]. Comte de Chiny. “Albertus Chisneiacensis comes cum uxore mea Agnete et filio Lodoyco” confirmed donations made to Sainte-Walburge by charter dated to after 18 Jun 1158[626]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records that "avus eius [Ludovici…comes de Cisneio] Albertus comes" was buried "in Aureavalle"[627]. The necrology of Orval records the death “III Kal Oct” of “Albertus comes de Chiney qui adduxit in conventum Cisterciensem” and his donation of property “in Sabulo”[628].
m ([1140]) AGNES de Bar, daughter of RENAUD I Comte de Bar & his second wife Gisèle de Vaudémont (-after 1185). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Agenete sorore eiusdem comitis [=comes Barri iunior Raymaldus" specifying that she was mother of "episcopus Vidunensis Arnulfus de Cisneio"[629]. “Albertus Chisneiacensis comes cum uxore mea Agnete et filio Lodoyco” confirmed donations made to Sainte-Walburge by charter dated to after 18 Jun 1158[630]. “Agnes...comitissa de Chisnei...coram filiis meis Lodovico et Theodorico” attested that “dominus Cono senior de Hons” had donated “usuaria nemoris Bellonis Campaniæ“ to Orval, recalling that the donation had originally been made “per manum meam et mariti mei piæ memoriæ comitis Alberti” with the consent of “piæ memoriæ Symonis ducis Lotaringiæ” from whom Cono held half of the property, by charter dated 1172[631]. "Anetis comitissa de Chinei" donated part of the forest of Blanchampagne to the church of Moulins, for the soul of "domini Alberti comitis", by charter dated to [1185] which names "filios meos heredes, maxime Ludovicum et Teodericum"[632].
Albert & his wife had eight children:
1. LOUIS [III] (-Belgrade [5 Aug] 1189).
2. THIERRY (-after 1207).
3. ARNOUL (-killed Sainte-Ménehould 14 Aug 1181, bur Verdun Notre-Dame).
4. ALIX (-9 Aug, after 1177, bur Brogne Abbey).
5. IDA .
6. daughter .
7. HUGUES .
8. daughter .
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Otto II (1065-after 1131), Count of Chiny, son of Arnold I, Count of Chiny, and Adélaïs.
He succeeded his father in 1106 and completed the construction of the Abbey of Orval that his father had started in 1070, installing the canons in 1124. The installation of a Cistercian community in Orval in 1131 marked his last appearance in any proceedings.
He married Adelaide (Alix) (1068-1124), daughter of Albert III, Count of Namur and Ida of Saxony (widow of Frederick of Lower Lorraine), who gave birth to:
1.) Ida (d. before 1125), married to Godfrey I, Count of Leuven
2.) Oda (d. after 1134), married to Giselbert II, Count of Duras
3.) Hugues, probably died young
4.) Albert, Count of Chiny
5.) Frederick, (d. after 1124), Provost at Reims from 1120
6.) Adalbero II of Chiny-Namur (d. 26 March 1145), Bishop of Liège, 1135-1145
7.) Eustache (d. after 1156), married to a daughter of Wiger de Waremme, Avoué of Liège Saint-Lambert and Hesbaye. His son Louis de Lumaine was also Avoué of Hesbaye.
Ida (also known as Ida of Namur) and Godfrey (also known as Godfrey the Bearded, not to be confused with his the uncle of his father Henry II, Godfrey) were parents of Adeliza of Louvain, wife of Henry I, King of England. Oda's husband Gislebert was son of Otto, Count of Duras and therefore the grandson of Giselbert, the first Count of Looz, whose family would eventually be merged with the Counts of Chiny with the marriage of Otto's great-great granddaughter Jeanne, Countess of Chiny, with Arnold IV, Count of Looz.
After his death, Otto was succeeded as Count of Chiny by his son Albert.
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