Paynel, Hawise 1 2a

Birth Name Paynel, Hawise
Gender female
Age at Death 67 years, 3 months, 23 days

Events

Event Date Place Description Sources
Birth 1130 Dudley Castle, Warwickshire, England   3
Death 1197-04-24 England   3
Event Note

D: BET 24 APR 1197 AND 1210

Age: 67y

Families

Family of de Somery, John and Paynel, Hawise
Married Husband de Somery, John ( * 1125 + 1195 )
   
Event Date Place Description Sources
Marriage 1150 Worchestershire, England   1
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
de Somery, Ralph11511210

Family of de Berkeley, Roger Dursley III and Paynel, Hawise
Unknown Partner de Berkeley, Roger Dursley III ( * 1130 + 1170 )
  Children
Name Birth Date Death Date
de Berkeley, Roger IV1130
de Berkeley, Alice1135
de Berkeley, Sedzilla1140
de Berkeley, Letitia1145

Source References

  1. http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=tamer&id=I6433&style=TABLE
  2. Bruce: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=pusch&id=I122160 @ RootsWeb Bruce Cooley Pusch
      • Source text:

        ID: I122160
        Name: HAWISE (NOTES) PAYNEL DE PAYNELL (L) PAGANELL
        Sex: F
        ALIA: HAWISE (NOTES) DE PAYNELL OR (L) /PAYNEL/
        Birth: BET 1124 AND 1161 in DUDLEY CASTLE, WARWICKSHIRE, ENGLAND
        Death: BET 24 APR 1197 AND 1210 in ENGLAND
        Event: 1 AKA HAWISE (NOTES) PAGANELL PAYNEL DE PAYNELL OR (L) PAGNELL
        Event: 2 AKA HAWISE (NOTES) (L) DE PAYNELL
        Event: 3 AKA HAWISE (NOTES) (L) PAGANAL
        Event: 4 AKA HAWISE (NOTES) (L) PAYNELL
        Event: 5 AKA HAWISE (NOTES) (L) DE PAYNEL
        Note:
        SOME SOURCES SAY HAWISE'S PARENTS WERE RALPH LORD OF DUDLEY PAYNEL OR (L) PAGANEL AND AGNES OR HAWISE (L) DE FERRERS.

        OTHER POSSIBLE PARENTS ARE SHOWN BELOW BUT THIS INDIVIDUAL IS NOT SHOWN AS A CHILD ON THE FOLLOWING POSSIBLE PARENTS' FAMILY PAGES, TO DO SO WOULD BE CONSIDERED ERRORS BY THIS PROGRAM. EVEN THOUGH THESE LAST POSSIBLE PARENTS MAY BE THE CORRECT ONES, SHOWING MORE THAN ONE SET OF PARENTS COULD CAUSE MY "FAMILY TREE" PROGRAM TO MALFUNCTION.

        OTHER SOURCES SAY HER PARENTS WERE GERVACE (NOTES) (L) PAYNEL AND FELICE (NOTES) (L) DODO.

         

        ALSO, ROGER III (NOTES) LORD DURSLEY (L) DE BERKELEY SHOWS TWO WIVES HAWISE (NOTES) PAYNEL DE PAYNELL (L) PAGANELL AND HAVOISE (NOTES) (L) DE BEAUMONT-LE-ROGER WITH SIMILAR FIRST NAMES AND FOUR CHILDREN.

        VARIOUS SOURCES SHOW ROGER AS THE FATHER BUT ONE OR THE OTHER WIVES AS THE MOTHER OF ALL FOUR CHILDREN.

        AS THE WIVES, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE SIMILAR FIRST NAMES, HAVE DIFFERENT ANCESTRY, PROBABLY ONE OR THE OTHER WIFE WAS NOT ACTUALLY THE WIFE OF ROGER AND THE MOTHER OF THESE FOUR CHILDREN.

        BUT WHICH ONE, HAWISE OR HAVOISE, IS THE WIFE OF ROGER AND THE MOTHER OF THESE FOUR CHILDREN?.

        ALSO, HAWISE IS ALSO SHOWN AS MARRYING TWO DIFFERENT ROGERS. AS THEY HAVE DIFFERENT LAST NAMES AND SHOW DIFFERENT ANCESTRY, I'M ASSUMING SHE DID JUST HAPPEN TO MARRY TWO DIFFERENT MEN WITH THE FIRST NAME OF ROGER.

         

        Father: RALPH LORD OF DUDLEY PAYNEL OR (L) PAGANEL b: BET 1100 AND 1140 in DUDLEY, WARWICKSHIRE, ENGLAND
        Mother: AGNES OR HAWISE (L) DE FERRERS b: BET 1103 AND 1105 in GREENHAM, BERKSHIRE OR TUTBURY, DERBYSHIRE, ENGLAND

        Marriage 1 ROGER III (NOTES) DURSLEY (L) DE BERKELEY b: BET 1105 AND 1150 in BERKELEY CASTLE, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND
        Children
        ROGER IV LORD OF DURSLEY (L) DE BERKELEY b: BET 1127 AND 1131 in BERKELEY CASTLE, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND
        ALICE (L) DE BERKELEY b: BET 1134 AND 1140 in BERKELEY CASTLE, OR BRISTOL, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND
        SEDZILIA OR ALICE (L) DE BERKELEY b: BET 1135 AND 1170 in BERKELEY CASTLE, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND
        LETITIA (L) DE BERKELEY b: ABT 1145 in BERKELEY CASTLE, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND

        Marriage 2 ROGER (L) FITZNICHOLAS b: 1150 in HULL, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND
        Children
        NICHOLAS (L) FITZROGER b: 1196 in HULL, GLOUCESTERSHIRE, ENGLAND

        Marriage 3 JOHN OF (L) DUDLEY SOMERI DE SOMERY OR SOMERY b: BET 1120 AND 1157 in LITTLE CRAWLEY, BUCKINGHAMSHIRE, ENGLAND
        Married: ABT 1150
        Children
        RALPH LORD OF DUDLEY SOMERI OR (L) DE SOMERY b: BET 1142 AND 1182 in DUDLEY CASTLE, WARWICKSHIRE, ENGLAND

         

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  3. Bruce: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=pusch&id=I111919&style=TABLE @ RootsWeb Bruce Cooley Pusch