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Date: Fri, 15-Jun-84 01:33:59 EDT
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[...this isn't reality, this is a fantasy.  Get in the closet!]

   Since most of us (who read net.startrek) have seen the movie by now,
and the discussion now is mostly "and another thing...", here are a couple
of things that tripped my tricorder.

   It should have been fairly easy to deal with a half-dozen Klingons
beaming aboard.  Some options are:
	1. Flood the transporter room with sleepy gas.
	2. Block the transporter room doors.
	3. Be waiting with phasers set to stun.
	4. Show them reruns of Gilligan's Island.

   The point is, of course, that there should have been a much more
compelling reason for blowing away the big E.  The most obvious 
circumstance to me is that she had suffered much more severe damage
in the preceding photon exchange.  Such as, the warp engines had been
blown off (ala Reliant), the main hull had been ruptured and was leaking
badly, all weapons dead, etc.  The proverbial mortal blow, as it were.
This would have allowed even more spectacular pyrotechnics (consistent
with the plot too), and created a situation wherein Enterprise could
die heroically wiping out the Klingon crew and giving Kirk et al a 
chance to escape (once again cheating death).

   And another thing.  The playback of the log tapes to find out who
Spock had coredumped on was totally unneccesary.  The incident with 
McCoy in Spock's cabin were he spoke in Spock's voice as if he were
Spock should have been plenty of setup.  Kirk's reaction when Sarek 
explained the katra business should simply have been: " Bones!  Of course, that explains it."  Jim should have
been a little more rapid on the uptake there.

   STII is probably the only movie I've ever seen where I thought
scantily clad women were out of place. :-)

   Am I the only one who got the impression that the Star Fleet 
commander was giving Kirk unofficial permission to go for it?
That's the impression I got.  In effect: "Hey Jim, I can't give 
you permission to do that.  The Enterprise is being decommisioned,
she won't be doing anything for a while.  You and your crew are on
extended leave, you're off-duty.  The Genisis thing is really bad
news, I wish I didn't have to deal with it. "
Or maybe Kirk had secret orders which we'll find out about in ST4.
Maybe I was just inferring that idea because I had read all the 
spoilers here before I saw the movie.

   Irregardless of the inevitable flaws, I thought it was at least
as good as ST2.  Maybe better because it had a more familiar 
"episodic" feel to it.  I plan to see it again soon.

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Date: Sat, 16-Jun-84 11:46:46 EDT
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Posted: Sat Jun 16 11:46:46 1984
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A lot of people neglect to consider that if Kirk tried
any tricks to merely subdue the Klingson boarding party,
Kruge would have probably blown up the ship.