Megalextoria
Retro computing and gaming, sci-fi books, tv and movies and other geeky stuff.

Home » Archive » net.startrek » Star Trek Pilot - The Cage
Show: Today's Messages :: Show Polls :: Message Navigator
E-mail to friend 
Switch to threaded view of this topic Create a new topic Submit Reply
Star Trek Pilot - The Cage [message #71572] Thu, 23 May 2013 23:56 Go to next message
markv is currently offline  markv
Messages: 34
Registered: May 2013
Karma: 0
Member
Message-ID: <1654@dartvax.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 22-May-84 05:44:29 EDT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1654
Posted: Tue May 22 05:44:29 1984
Date-Received: Wed, 23-May-84 19:39:13 EDT
Organization: Dartmouth College
Lines: 25


<>

    There have been a couple of questions about the Star Trek pilot.
Here's the story as I understand it:
    
    The first pilot, which was originally called "The Cage", was the
story concerning Captain Pike et al on Talos IV.  The network executives 
liked the pilot, but thought it was "too cerebral" for T.V.  They 
wanted something more on the lines of an action-adventure show.
So, "Where No Man Has Gone Before" was filmed, and it was this second
pilot was the one that sold the show.
     However, Roddenberry still had the first pilot, and it was
too good to waste.   So, a "framework" was constructed during
the "current time" of the show, where Spock takes over the ship
and abducts the crippled Captain Pike, and subsequently goes
on trial.  During the trial he shows a story on the screen, which
is the first pilot, "The Cage".  The whole thing ("The Cage" + framework)
became the two-part episode "The Menagerie".
-- 

                            Mark Vita
                            Dartmouth College
                            {decvax,cornell,linus}!dartvax!markv
Re: Star Trek Pilot - The Cage [message #71591 is a reply to message #71572] Thu, 23 May 2013 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
barmar is currently offline  barmar
Messages: 82
Registered: May 2013
Karma: 0
Member
Message-ID: <1918@mit-eddie.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 23-May-84 23:53:04 EDT
Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.1918
Posted: Wed May 23 23:53:04 1984
Date-Received: Sat, 26-May-84 13:18:44 EDT
References: <1654@dartvax.UUCP>
Organization: MIT, Cambridge, MA
Lines: 14

Mark Vita writes:
     However, Roddenberry still had the first pilot, and it was
too good to waste.   So, a "framework" was constructed during
the "current time" of the show,
--------------------
This is not quite how I heard it.  I heard that they were getting behind
schedule, due to the fact that they were so ambitious, and no one had
done such an elaborate TV show before.  So, they realized that they
could make up some lost time by making a shorter new episode and filling
in the time with the unseen pilot.
-- 
			Barry Margolin
			ARPA: barmar@MIT-Multics
			UUCP: ..!genrad!mit-eddie!barmar
Re: Star Trek Pilot - The Cage [message #71597 is a reply to message #71572] Thu, 23 May 2013 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ron@brl-vgr.ARPA (Ron is currently offline  ron@brl-vgr.ARPA (Ron
Messages: 55
Registered: May 2013
Karma: 0
Member
Message-ID: <2385@brl-vgr.ARPA>
Date: Wed, 23-May-84 20:54:47 EDT
Article-I.D.: brl-vgr.2385
Posted: Wed May 23 20:54:47 1984
Date-Received: Thu, 31-May-84 19:26:50 EDT
References: <1654@dartvax.UUCP>
Organization: Ballistics Research Lab
Lines: 4

Don't forget to mention the unsuccesful MANTRAP pilot that was later
redone as an episode.

-Ron
Re: Star Trek Pilot - The Cage [message #71599 is a reply to message #71572] Thu, 23 May 2013 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jackh is currently offline  jackh
Messages: 11
Registered: May 2013
Karma: 0
Junior Member
Message-ID: <1495@zehntel.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 24-May-84 21:03:46 EDT
Article-I.D.: zehntel.1495
Posted: Thu May 24 21:03:46 1984
Date-Received: Thu, 31-May-84 19:41:59 EDT
References: <1918@mit-eddie.UUCP>
Organization: Zehntel Inc., Walnut Creek, CA
Lines: 37




 > Mark Vita writes:
 >>    However, Roddenberry still had the first pilot, and it was
 >> too good to waste.   So, a "framework" was constructed during
 >> the "current time" of the show,
--------------------
 > This is not quite how I heard it.  I heard that they were getting behind
 > schedule, due to the fact that they were so ambitious, and no one had
 > done such an elaborate TV show before.  So, they realized that they
 > could make up some lost time by making a shorter new episode and filling
 > in the time with the unseen pilot.
 > 			Barry Margolin

That is absoutely correct. To take things one step further, I remember  
distinctly during the first season's original airing that NBC re-ran
an earlier episode ("What Are Little Girls Made Of", I believe) in
February '67. I was a freshman in high school at the time and much more
tuned in to TV than today. I remember thinking at the time that it was
much to early to begin re-runs which *everyone* knows don't start 'till
late March.

Years later, when reading "Making of" I found out about all of the 
production problems the first season. It made perfect sense to me
that they would re-run an earlier episode to buy time, but no one
I've talked to remembers this happening. I refuse to believe that
my memory has been tampered with. Can anyone save my sanity?

A related trivia question:  The very last original episode missed its
air date by nearly three months. Why?


                            -- Jack Hagerty, Zehntel Inc.
                                !ihnp4!zehntel!jackh
Re: Star Trek Pilot - The Cage [message #71616 is a reply to message #71572] Thu, 23 May 2013 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
markv is currently offline  markv
Messages: 34
Registered: May 2013
Karma: 0
Member
Message-ID: <1688@dartvax.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 25-May-84 13:29:07 EDT
Article-I.D.: dartvax.1688
Posted: Fri May 25 13:29:07 1984
Date-Received: Fri, 1-Jun-84 03:14:37 EDT
References: <1654@dartvax.UUCP> <1918@mit-eddie.UUCP>
Organization: Dartmouth College
Lines: 32

 >> Mark Vita writes:
 >>      However, Roddenberry still had the first pilot, and it was
 >> too good to waste.   So, a "framework" was constructed during
 >> the "current time" of the show,
 > --------------------
 > This is not quite how I heard it.  I heard that they were getting behind
 > schedule, due to the fact that they were so ambitious, and no one had
 > done such an elaborate TV show before.  So, they realized that they
 > could make up some lost time by making a shorter new episode and filling
 > in the time with the unseen pilot.
 > -- 
 > 			Barry Margolin
 
  This may well be true.  But I'm sure that at least one of the
motivations for making "The Menagerie" was that so much time
and care went into the making of "The Cage" that Roddenberry
wanted to see it used in some way.
  Also, I don't think they really added *too* much time to 
the length of "The Menagerie" by incorporating "The Cage".
As I recall, only short clips of the older film are shown,
in the courtroom scene.  If you read the script of "The
Cage" (which appears in "The Making Of Star Trek"), much
more goes on than actually appears in "The Menagerie".
Some of the cuts/changes were necessary to make the
story make sense in the context of the "new" Star Trek
scenario (i.e. with Kirk et al).
-- 

                            Mark Vita
                            Dartmouth College
                            {decvax,cornell,linus}!dartvax!markv
Re: Star Trek Pilot - The Cage [message #71631 is a reply to message #71572] Thu, 23 May 2013 23:56 Go to previous message
barmar is currently offline  barmar
Messages: 82
Registered: May 2013
Karma: 0
Member
Message-ID: <1947@mit-eddie.UUCP>
Date: Sat, 26-May-84 12:34:02 EDT
Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.1947
Posted: Sat May 26 12:34:02 1984
Date-Received: Fri, 1-Jun-84 21:11:50 EDT
References: <1654@dartvax.UUCP> <2385@brl-vgr.ARPA>
Organization: MIT, Cambridge, MA
Lines: 19

--------------------
Don't forget to mention the unsuccesful MANTRAP pilot that was later
redone as an episode.

-Ron
--------------------
This is the first I have heard about "Mantrap" having been intended as a
pilot.  I believe that the only notable feature of this episode is that
it was the first episode that was broadcast.  The first few episodes
were shown in a different order than they were filmed.

For those of you who don't recognize the title, this is the one where
the Enterprise goes to a research planet where an old flame of McCoy's
and her husband are working.  She turns out to be a "salt vampire" who
can appear to other people as anything she wishes.
-- 
			Barry Margolin
			ARPA: barmar@MIT-Multics
			UUCP: ..!genrad!mit-eddie!barmar
  Switch to threaded view of this topic Create a new topic Submit Reply
Previous Topic: Destruction of the Enterprise
Next Topic: Re: Whither Enterprise?
Goto Forum:
  

-=] Back to Top [=-
[ Syndicate this forum (XML) ] [ RSS ] [ PDF ]

Current Time: Sun Dec 22 05:13:58 EST 2024

Total time taken to generate the page: 0.00393 seconds