| Re: G5 Damaged in Shipping [message #34757] |
Sun, 27 January 2013 23:48  |
Cameron Kaiser
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> G5 dual 2.5Mhz, June 2004, Radeon 9800 XT video. Model #A1047 EMC# 1969.
> M9457LL/A, liquid cooling.
> Conerns;
> 1. Damaged/Leaking LCS -- how to inspect it.
Pull the "G5" box off and look. There might be a little plastic retention
rivet on top if it's never been inspected after it left the factory; usually
you have to snap that off. At the shop they have spares for it, but you won't,
so expect the "G5 box" just to wiggle loosely after that.
Then, look for leakage, simple as that. *Any* moisture should be of concern,
especially if it was "virgin." Make sure they have not slipped off the CPU
dies.
Assuming visual inspection passes, I'd do a couple passes in AHT/ASD and
then burn it in for 48 or 72 hours on Highest Performance (just leave it on
and see if it overheats).
> 2. Hard drive cables and connectors -- no_ SATA drive at hand to test (one
> cable was found disconnected from the motherboard.
That's difficult to replace, but not impossible. The service manual can
explain. Just make sure the headers on the *logic board* are okay.
> Questions:
> 1) Would anyone want to use this as production computer? All my production
> software is Mac PCI based.
I think it stinks cosmetically, but the unit is probably salvageable.
> 2) How hard is it to take all guts out of this G5 and reassemble in a new
> case? Any propriety tools needed? And how to find_ "take a part"
> instructions? I'm up for a challenge --but is it worth it ???
It's hard labour, mostly getting the power supply out. I would really advise
against it assuming the damage is cosmetic -- it's probably not going to be
as good as you would expect and can you really trust a guy like this to send
you a pristine case?
Take the money, check the board thoroughly. It's probably still operable.
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| Re: G5 Damaged in Shipping [message #34770 is a reply to message #34757] |
Mon, 28 January 2013 02:01  |
Richard Gerome
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That doesn't look to me like damage from shipping??? I would just get as much money back from them as you can get so you can at least buy the parts you need to fix it. The damage to the case doesn't look like it will affect the performance at all. I could fix that the damage to the case if I had it with a plastic hammer. So it looks like all you need would be a hard drive and the sled as long as the caps aren't leaking...
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> From: glen <glenstrek@yahoo.com>
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> Subject: G5 Damaged in Shipping
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> G5 dual 2.5Mhz, June 2004, Radeon 9800 XT video. Model #A1047 EMC# 1969. M9457LL/A, liquid cooling.
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> Photo's
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/glenstrek/sets/7215763262463008 1/
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> The case got bent, the hard drive and video card were dislarged on arrival. When received there was no anchor screw in the video card slot and no sled for the HD. The video card was reseated and appears OK, the hard drive is toast.
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> The G5 will boot from a retail OS 10.4 install DVD. It will also boot from a external FireWire 10.4.11 drive. All appears OK for the short time I had it running.
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> Conerns;
> 1. Damaged/Leaking LCS -- how to inspect it.
> 2. Hard drive cables and connectors -- no SATA drive at hand to test (one cable was found disconnected from the motherboard.
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> The seller has offered to:
> 1) send a new case
> 2) OR offer some $$ compensation
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> Questions:
> 1) Would anyone want to use this as production computer? All my production software is Mac PCI based.
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> 2) How hard is it to take all guts out of this G5 and reassemble in a new case? Any propriety tools needed? And how to find "take a part" instructions? I'm up for a challenge --but is it worth it ???
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> 3) Just live with the bend up case and get a few dollars off purchase price after all the Mac is 9 years old.
>
> Somewhat disappointing to finally get G5 and receive it in a damaged condition. Sort'a like buying a classic Corvette and getting slammed by a distracted driver while stopped at a traffic light on its first drive. OTOH it is a challenge to restore what is left to restore.
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> All responses welcomed, thanks --glen
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| Re: G5 Damaged in Shipping [message #34771 is a reply to message #34770] |
Mon, 28 January 2013 03:28 |
Kris Tilford
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On Jan 28, 2013, at 1:01 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:
> That doesn't look to me like damage from shipping???
I agree.
I saw those HD jumper pins all bent that are recessed down into a hole
and thought "looks like someone bent these pins on purpose" because I
can't see anyway these get bent in shipping. I own a similar G5 and to
me this damage looks beyond anything you could do by dropping. I think
someone mangled this computer purposefully.
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| Re: G5 Damaged in Shipping [message #34817 is a reply to message #34771] |
Mon, 28 January 2013 14:08 |
Bruce Johnson
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On Jan 28, 2013, at 1:28 AM, Kris Tilford <ktilford1@cox.net> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2013, at 1:01 AM, Richard Gerome wrote:
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>> That doesn't look to me like damage from shipping???
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> I agree.
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> I saw those HD jumper pins all bent that are recessed down into a hole and thought "looks like someone bent these pins on purpose" because I can't see anyway these get bent in shipping. I own a similar G5 and to me this damage looks beyond anything you could do by dropping. I think someone mangled this computer purposefully.
Me three, those pins shouldn't be connected afaik on a SATA drive anyway. And no way could that cind of damage have been done if the drive was installed in it's bay. Bending the SATA connecter down that way needs someone to yank down really hard on the cable; force enough to do that would demolish even a G5 case.
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| Re: G5 Damaged in Shipping [message #34836 is a reply to message #34757] |
Mon, 28 January 2013 15:57 |
David
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>> G5 dual 2.5Mhz, June 2004, Radeon 9800 XT video. Model #A1047 EMC#
>> 1969.
>> M9457LL/A, liquid cooling.
>> Conerns;
>> 1. Damaged/Leaking LCS -- how to inspect it.
>
> The only way to thoroughly inspect for LCS problems is to completely
> disassemble the CPU modules from the mobo and check the area where
> the "O"-rings are located, which you can't see without pulling the
> CPU's from the mobo. This is where the corrosion will begin if a
> leak is too slow to cause catastrophic leakage. Even if there is no
> leakage, I strongly suggest that you replace those "O"-rings with
> new ones, to insure that they do not begin leaking in the near future.
>
>> 2. Hard drive cables and connectors -- no_ SATA drive at hand to
>> test (one
>> cable was found disconnected from the motherboard.
>
> Not sure why Cameron says that this will be difficult to replace, as
> SATA hard drives are the easiest to find replacements for nowadays.
> If you are going to keep the computer, you need a SATA drive anyway,
> so just buy a new one. If it is the HD sled you are worried about
> finding, the G5 PowerMac does not have any sled IIRC, but it does
> have specially rounded screws that fit on the sides of the HD and
> guide the HD into the proper spot, with a flip down retaining tab
> that holds the HD in place.
>
>> Questions:
>> 1) Would anyone want to use this as production computer? All my
>> production
>> software is Mac PCI based.
>
> See my private email to you regarding potential buyers for this
> system, now that the port of MorphOS3.x supporting G5 PowerMac's
> with AGP slots and Radeon video cards will soon be finished.
>
>> 2) How hard is it to take all guts out of this G5 and reassemble in
>> a new
>> case? Any propriety tools needed? And how to find_ "take a part"
>> instructions? I'm up for a challenge --but is it worth it ???
>
I have done it and it is not too difficult. There is a guide at
iFixIt.com that takes you step-by-step through the process.
Like Cameron, I suggest that you take the money from the seller and
then decide if you want to keep the G5, or sell it to someone else who
is interested in the operation and not the looks of your system. A
new case is going to be expensive for the seller to find and buy for
you, so if you want to keep it for yourself and looks are important,
you might want to ask for the new case.
Good luck.
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| Re: G5 Damaged in Shipping [message #34858 is a reply to message #34757] |
Mon, 28 January 2013 21:42 |
Cameron Kaiser
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>>> 2. Hard drive cables and connectors -- no_ SATA drive at hand to
>>> test (one
>>> cable was found disconnected from the motherboard.
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>> Not sure why Cameron says that this will be difficult to replace, as
>> SATA hard drives are the easiest to find replacements for nowadays.
I'm not talking about the hard disk; I'm talking about getting the cable
back on the board. You can try to reattach it, but if it has to be
replaced, you have to clip and destroy the old one and rethread the new one
through the hard drive bay. It's not as easy as it looks.
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