Article-I.D.: pttesac.336
Posted: Fri Nov 21 23:48:17 1986
Date-Received: Sun, 23-Nov-86 02:27:21 EST
References: <8611191016.AA19776@cory.Berkeley.EDU> <1074@zen.BERKELEY.EDU>
Reply-To: vanam@pttesac.UUCP (-Root Admin-)
Organization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, San Francisco
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Keywords: Misspelling of kernel/kernal/colonel
Summary: Spelling of kernel

In article <1074@zen.BERKELEY.EDU> c55-grig@buddy.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Ted Griggs) writes:
 > []
 > 
 > Does the procedure and example program given in the ROM Kernal Manual
 > actually work?

Hey, I'm getting tired of this misspelling all the time  ^^^^^^.
It's spelled just like the popcorn colonels.  Or is that Kolonels?
Or Colennels?  Kurunals?  Kernel?

Article-I.D.: cbmvax.1028
Posted: Sun Nov 23 18:02:01 1986
Date-Received: Mon, 24-Nov-86 01:45:47 EST
References: <8611191016.AA19776@cory.Berkeley.EDU> <1074@zen.BERKELEY.EDU> <336@pttesac.UUCP>
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA
Lines: 17
Keywords: kernel kernal
Summary: yawn

In article <336@pttesac.UUCP> vanam@pttesac.UUCP (-Root Admin-) writes:
 > In article <1074@zen.BERKELEY.EDU> c55-grig@buddy.Berkeley.EDU.UUCP (Ted Griggs) writes:
 >> Does the procedure and example program given in the ROM Kernal Manual
 >> actually work?
 > 
 > Hey, I'm getting tired of this misspelling all the time  ^^^^^^.
 > It's spelled just like the popcorn colonels.  Or is that Kolonels?
 > Or Colennels?  Kurunals?  Kernel?

You might as well get used to it.  In the 8-bit Commodore world, local usage
has always had it spelled kernal.  Given that a reasonable number of Amiga
users are coming from this environment, there is precious little chance of
stamping out this colloquialism.
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Article-I.D.: ico.182
Posted: Sun Nov 30 20:36:14 1986
Date-Received: Sun, 30-Nov-86 22:59:18 EST
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| >>Does the procedure and example program given in the ROM Kernal Manual
| >Hey, I'm getting tired of this misspelling all the time  ^^^^^^.
| You might as well get used to it.  In the 8-bit Commodore world, local usage
| has always had it spelled kernal.  Given that a reasonable number of Amiga
| users are coming from this environment, there is precious little chance of
| stamping out this colloquialism.
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Hey, I could get tired of that
misspelling REAL fast.  The form "colloquialism" is not an accepted
alternate spelling of "error".

It's bad enough to have spelling flames kicking around without having
someone DEFEND the fact that people don't know how to spell and refuse to
learn even the words that are basic to their work.
-- 
Dick Dunn    {hao,nbires,cbosgd}!ico!rcd	(303)449-2870
   ...Lately it occurs to me what a long, strange trip it's been.

Article-I.D.: cbmvax.1059
Posted: Fri Dec  5 18:19:06 1986
Date-Received: Fri, 5-Dec-86 23:56:27 EST
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Reply-To: carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner)
Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA
Lines: 24

In article <182@ico.UUCP> rcd@ico.UUCP (Dick Dunn) writes:
   (RE: "Kernal" VS "Kernel")
 > 
 > It's bad enough to have spelling flames kicking around without having
 > someone DEFEND the fact that people don't know how to spell and refuse to
 > learn even the words that are basic to their work.

   Here's my 2 cents.  Correct spelling is crucial in programs.
But I don't care how you spell "Kernel" in a mail message.  And I
hope you don't care how I spell it.  I know that I have confused
our 8-bit "Kernal" with our Amiga "Kernel" on occasion.  I worked
with the "Kernal" for so many years that "Kernel" just doesn't
look right.

   In fact, both spellings are starting to look strange.  I guess I've
been looking at them too long.  I'll start looking at some other
word --- like BltMaskBitMapRastPort.

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Article-I.D.: pttesac.347
Posted: Wed Dec 31 18:59:59 1969
Date-Received: Sun, 7-Dec-86 04:45:05 EST
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Reply-To: vanam@pttesac.UUCP (Marnix van Ammers)
Organization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, San Francisco
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In article <1059@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner) writes:
 > hope you don't care how I spell it.  I know that I have confused
 > our 8-bit "Kernal" with our Amiga "Kernel" on occasion.  I worked

*Your* 8-bit "Kernal" ?

I'm not sure, but from all the postings on this subject I *think*
that what has happened is that Commodore mispelled "kernel" in
some documentation for the C-64 and that the mispelling has since
become accepted within Commodore and within the C-64 user community.

Is that it?

Marnix
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Article-I.D.: cbmvax.1084
Posted: Wed Dec 10 05:58:09 1986
Date-Received: Wed, 10-Dec-86 11:48:34 EST
References: <8611191016.AA19776@cory.Berkeley.EDU>
Sender: news@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax.UUCP (George Robbins)
Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA
Lines: 16
Summary: you got it...

In article <347@pttesac.UUCP> vanam@pttesac.UUCP (Marnix van Ammers) writes:
 > 
 > I'm not sure, but from all the postings on this subject I *think*
 > that what has happened is that Commodore mispelled "kernel" in
 > some documentation for the C-64 and that the mispelling has since
 > become accepted within Commodore and within the C-64 user community.
 > 
 > Is that it?
 > 

You got it - I don't know if the mispelling was intentional or accidental,
but it is pretty firmly imbedded in the C-64 world...
-- 
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but no way officially representing	arpa: cbmvax!grr@seismo.css.GOV
Commodore, Engineering Department	fone: 215-431-9255 (only by moonlite)

Article-I.D.: cbmvax.1088
Posted: Wed Dec 10 05:58:49 1986
Date-Received: Wed, 10-Dec-86 11:51:44 EST
References: <8611191016.AA19776@cory.Berkeley.EDU>
Sender: news@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP
Reply-To: carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner)
Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA
Lines: 22

In article <347@pttesac.UUCP> vanam@pttesac.UUCP (Marnix van Ammers) writes:
 > In article <1059@cbmvax.cbmvax.cbm.UUCP> carolyn@cbmvax.UUCP (Carolyn Scheppner) writes:
 >> hope you don't care how I spell it.  I know that I have confused
 >> our 8-bit "Kernal" with our Amiga "Kernel" on occasion.  I worked
 > 
 > *Your* 8-bit "Kernal" ?
 > 
 > I'm not sure, but from all the postings on this subject I *think*
 > that what has happened is that Commodore mispelled "kernel" in
 > some documentation for the C-64 and that the mispelling has since
 > become accepted within Commodore and within the C-64 user community.
 > 
 > Is that it?

   Funny.  I always thought it was the other way around.  We have some
sort of trademark on "Kernal". 
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Article-I.D.: cbmvax.1091
Posted: Wed Dec 10 05:59:27 1986
Date-Received: Wed, 10-Dec-86 11:52:29 EST
References: <347@pttesac.UUCP>
Sender: news@cbmvax.cbm.UUCP
Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA
Lines: 33

 >  
 >  *Your* 8-bit "Kernal" ?
 >  
 >  I'm not sure, but from all the postings on this subject I *think*
 >  that what has happened is that Commodore mispelled "kernel" in
 >  some documentation for the C-64 and that the mispelling has since
 >  become accepted within Commodore and within the C-64 user community.
 >  
 >  Is that it?
 >  
 >  Marnix

Actually, I believe the spelling of the word in relation to 8-bit CBM
computers has been around since the first PET 2001 machines, the jump
table in the C64 is virtually the same thing as in those early PETs.  Its
certainly true that the word, either "kernel" or "kernal", was far from
an everyday word back in 1977 or so.  Maybe it was a misspelling or just
to be different.  Or maybe it was an effort to create a uniquely 
"computerese" word to serve that purpose; maybe "kernel" was just a little
too corny :-).

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	 This is the fine point on which all the legal professions of
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