| The order of the movies in the series [message #262516] |
Sun, 27 July 2014 13:56  |
Jeffrey Kaplan
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So now that I'm (almost) done ripping my B5 DVDs to my hard drive, I've
only got the TV movies left, comes the question of where those movies
go in the timeline. Everyone has their opinions on where some of them
go, and others are pretty straight-forward.
For example, "The Gathering" is obviously the series pilot and belongs
immediately in front of season one episode one "On The Firing Line".
"The Lost Tales" occur somewhere between season 5 episodes 21 and 22,
"Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light".
"Thirdspace" is somewhere in season four. The Lurker's Guide puts it
somewhere between episodes 6 and 14, "Into The Fire" and "Moments Of
Transition" which works for me.
"In The Beginning", however, is an open question for me. On the one
hand, it tells the story of the Minbari war which places it a decade
before "The Gathering", but on the other hand, it's told as a
retrospective by Londo as an old man a few hours before his death which
places it, like "The Lost Tales", somewhere between "Objects At Rest"
and "Sleeping In Light". And because it's told by Londo a couple hours
before his death, it overlaps the flash forwards from "War Without End
pt 2". For my part, because of the construction of the episode, I'm
placing it between "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light". I'll
have to re-watch "The Lost Tales" to determine which of those comes
before the other.
Likewise, "River Of Souls" is somewhere between "Objects At Rest" and,
from my placement, "In The Beginning".
The only lingering question I have is, where does "A Call To Arms"
belong? It's the B5 cast so do I put it with the B5 set, or do I put
it with the to-be-ripped Crusade set since it's also the setup/pilot
for that series?
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Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection
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life, so long as you have the luxuries." (Zeke and Paris, "Pitch
Black")
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| Re: The order of the movies in the series [message #262528 is a reply to message #262516] |
Sun, 27 July 2014 17:52  |
Nicole Massey
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"Jeffrey Kaplan" <gordol@gordol.org> wrote in message
news:5ceat9lfn6bsrotsmradhad58qmvco5sac@gordol.org...
> So now that I'm (almost) done ripping my B5 DVDs to my hard drive, I've
> only got the TV movies left, comes the question of where those movies
> go in the timeline. Everyone has their opinions on where some of them
> go, and others are pretty straight-forward.
>
> For example, "The Gathering" is obviously the series pilot and belongs
> immediately in front of season one episode one "On The Firing Line".
> "The Lost Tales" occur somewhere between season 5 episodes 21 and 22,
> "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light".
>
> "Thirdspace" is somewhere in season four. The Lurker's Guide puts it
> somewhere between episodes 6 and 14, "Into The Fire" and "Moments Of
> Transition" which works for me.
>
> "In The Beginning", however, is an open question for me. On the one
> hand, it tells the story of the Minbari war which places it a decade
> before "The Gathering", but on the other hand, it's told as a
> retrospective by Londo as an old man a few hours before his death which
> places it, like "The Lost Tales", somewhere between "Objects At Rest"
> and "Sleeping In Light". And because it's told by Londo a couple hours
> before his death, it overlaps the flash forwards from "War Without End
> pt 2". For my part, because of the construction of the episode, I'm
> placing it between "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light". I'll
> have to re-watch "The Lost Tales" to determine which of those comes
> before the other.
>
> Likewise, "River Of Souls" is somewhere between "Objects At Rest" and,
> from my placement, "In The Beginning".
>
> The only lingering question I have is, where does "A Call To Arms"
> belong? It's the B5 cast so do I put it with the B5 set, or do I put
> it with the to-be-ripped Crusade set since it's also the setup/pilot
> for that series?
I'd definitely put In the Beginning in the later position, as it also gives
away far too much if placed at the front.
JMS said that the Drakh plague is resolved in the second year of Crusade, so
A Call to Arms could fall anywhere between Objects at Rest and Sleeping in
Light. Personally I'd place it before In the Beginning and after River of
Souls -- I'd make it and crusade fall before In the Beginning. This makes it
work best, IMO, as there's no reference or mention of it in any of the other
material.
Where are you putting Legend of the Rangers?
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| Re: The order of the movies in the series [message #262546 is a reply to message #262528] |
Sun, 27 July 2014 19:07 |
Jeffrey Kaplan
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Previously on rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated, Nicole Massey said:
>> The only lingering question I have is, where does "A Call To Arms"
>> belong? It's the B5 cast so do I put it with the B5 set, or do I put
>> it with the to-be-ripped Crusade set since it's also the setup/pilot
>> for that series?
>
> JMS said that the Drakh plague is resolved in the second year of Crusade, so
> A Call to Arms could fall anywhere between Objects at Rest and Sleeping in
> Light. Personally I'd place it before In the Beginning and after River of
> Souls -- I'd make it and crusade fall before In the Beginning. This makes it
> work best, IMO, as there's no reference or mention of it in any of the other
> material.
I want to keep Crusade itself separate, as it is a separate story than
the original series and related movies in the box sets. If ACtA goes
with B5, then I'd personally put it somewhere between Objects At Rest
and In The Beginning, after River is as good a place as any, I'd have
to double check for when that happens. ACtA takes place four years
after Objects At Rest. (Opening scene specified five years after the
creation of the Alliance, which was between Into The Fire in s4 and No
Compromises in s5.)
> Where are you putting Legend of the Rangers?
Nowhere. I don't own a copy.
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Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection
"Okay. It's morning. You're getting ready to go to work. You pull
on your pants. Do you fasten and then zip or zip and then fasten?"
(Mr. Garibaldi, B5 "Babylon Squared")
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| Re: The order of the movies in the series [message #262559 is a reply to message #262528] |
Sun, 27 July 2014 19:48 |
Martin Burmester
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On 2014-07-27 21:52:36 +0000, Nicole Massey said:
>> "In The Beginning", however, is an open question for me. On the one
>> hand, it tells the story of the Minbari war which places it a decade
>> before "The Gathering", but on the other hand, it's told as a
>> retrospective by Londo as an old man a few hours before his death which
>> places it, like "The Lost Tales", somewhere between "Objects At Rest"
>> and "Sleeping In Light". And because it's told by Londo a couple hours
>> before his death, it overlaps the flash forwards from "War Without End
>> pt 2". For my part, because of the construction of the episode, I'm
>> placing it between "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light". I'll
>> have to re-watch "The Lost Tales" to determine which of those comes
>> before the other.
[...]
> I'd definitely put In the Beginning in the later position, as it also
> gives away far too much if placed at the front.
Yes, the last relevant episode here is 4x09 "Atonement", it can be
watched after that. I would watch it between Seasons 4 and 5 though,
that was also when it was originally aired.
Cheers,
Martin
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| Re: The order of the movies in the series [message #321144 is a reply to message #262516] |
Tue, 14 June 2016 14:04 |
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From: "Nicole Massey" <nyyki@gypsyheir.com>
"Jeffrey Kaplan" <gordol@gordol.org> wrote in message
news:5ceat9lfn6bsrotsmradhad58qmvco5sac@gordol.org...
> So now that I'm (almost) done ripping my B5 DVDs to my hard drive, I've
> only got the TV movies left, comes the question of where those movies
> go in the timeline. Everyone has their opinions on where some of them
> go, and others are pretty straight-forward.
>
> For example, "The Gathering" is obviously the series pilot and belongs
> immediately in front of season one episode one "On The Firing Line".
> "The Lost Tales" occur somewhere between season 5 episodes 21 and 22,
> "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light".
>
> "Thirdspace" is somewhere in season four. The Lurker's Guide puts it
> somewhere between episodes 6 and 14, "Into The Fire" and "Moments Of
> Transition" which works for me.
>
> "In The Beginning", however, is an open question for me. On the one
> hand, it tells the story of the Minbari war which places it a decade
> before "The Gathering", but on the other hand, it's told as a
> retrospective by Londo as an old man a few hours before his death which
> places it, like "The Lost Tales", somewhere between "Objects At Rest"
> and "Sleeping In Light". And because it's told by Londo a couple hours
> before his death, it overlaps the flash forwards from "War Without End
> pt 2". For my part, because of the construction of the episode, I'm
> placing it between "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light". I'll
> have to re-watch "The Lost Tales" to determine which of those comes
> before the other.
>
> Likewise, "River Of Souls" is somewhere between "Objects At Rest" and,
> from my placement, "In The Beginning".
>
> The only lingering question I have is, where does "A Call To Arms"
> belong? It's the B5 cast so do I put it with the B5 set, or do I put
> it with the to-be-ripped Crusade set since it's also the setup/pilot
> for that series?
I'd definitely put In the Beginning in the later position, as it also gives
away far too much if placed at the front.
JMS said that the Drakh plague is resolved in the second year of Crusade, so
A Call to Arms could fall anywhere between Objects at Rest and Sleeping in
Light. Personally I'd place it before In the Beginning and after River of
Souls -- I'd make it and crusade fall before In the Beginning. This makes it
work best, IMO, as there's no reference or mention of it in any of the other
material.
Where are you putting Legend of the Rangers?
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