| License of Electric Duet music player routine [message #220491] |
Sun, 12 January 2014 18:18  |
markpilgrimfastmail
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I just had a brief but constructive email discussion with Paul Lutus, the author and copyright holder of "Electric Duet," the 2-note software synthesizer for the Apple II. He has generously agreed to release the music player routine itself under the GNU GPL. Paul requested that I credit it like this in my upcoming project:
Electric Duet Music Player
Copyright 1982, P. Lutus
Released under the GPL
(http://www.gnu.org)
Paul informed me that this open source license grant applies only to the player routine itself (the one you can tell Electric Duet to generate at any starting address and save as a separate file). The rest of the Electric Duet disk, including the editor, remains under his original copyright.
I don't claim to speak for Paul. I'm just reporting the outcome of our conversation in a public forum in case anyone else is interested.
Cheers,
-Mark
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| Re: License of Electric Duet music player routine [message #220641 is a reply to message #220497] |
Mon, 13 January 2014 00:09  |
gids.rs
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> Nice. BTW, is this you? http://mark.pilgrim.usesthis.com/
Must be. Blurb from this website.
What would be your dream setup?
"I have an Apple IIe in my attic. My parents bought it in 1984. We used it exclusively for five years; I wrote my first program on it, I wrote my first poem on it, my mother ran her first business on it. We sold it to a family friend in 1989, and she used it as her primary computer for 10 more years, until 1999. A few years ago, I paid her to ship it back to me. The damn thing still works – color monitor, 80-column card, original disk drives, everything. Most of my 25-year-old 5.25-inch floppy disks still work. Of course there’s no software being written for it anymore (except Silvern Castle, God bless you), but what it could do in 1984, it can still do just as well in 2009."
Are we being watched over with our whining and when Google Groups fails to respond with posting, some Apple II diehard immediately sends a "fix now" request up the ladder at Google headquarters? :)
Rob
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| Re: License of Electric Duet music player routine [message #221227 is a reply to message #220491] |
Mon, 13 January 2014 13:02 |
bpicchi
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On Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:18:54 PM UTC-8, markpilgr...@gmail.com wrote:
> I just had a brief but constructive email discussion with Paul Lutus, the author and copyright holder of "Electric Duet," the 2-note software synthesizer for the Apple II. He has generously agreed to release the music player routine itself under the GNU GPL. Paul requested that I credit it like this in my upcoming project:
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> Paul informed me that this open source license grant applies only to the player routine itself (the one you can tell Electric Duet to generate at any starting address and save as a separate file). The rest of the Electric Duet disk, including the editor, remains under his original copyright.
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> I don't claim to speak for Paul. I'm just reporting the outcome of our conversation in a public forum in case anyone else is interested.
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> Cheers,
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Cool. What project are you working on?
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| Re: License of Electric Duet music player routine [message #243271 is a reply to message #243197] |
Mon, 10 February 2014 16:49 |
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I suppose you could say the binary object of this routine contains the source, viewable using any disassembler. But I'm pretty sure that even if that stretches the view enough to fit the GPL, that it still goes against the overall intention of the license. Also, you're supposed to include the license with the source, and as far as I know there's no official distribution.
Would a documented disassembly work? I'd be willing to help do that and put a repo up somewhere (GitHub, etc.), but I'm not sure about the legality of doing a third-party reverse-engineering job and claiming it as the original author's licensed/blessed code.
I guess there really is no such thing as a free lunch/code. ;)
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| Re: License of Electric Duet music player routine [message #243273 is a reply to message #243271] |
Mon, 10 February 2014 16:57 |
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Dagen Brock <DagenBrock@gmail.com> wrote:
> I suppose you could say the binary object of this routine contains the source, viewable using any disassembler. But I'm pretty sure that even if that stretches the view enough to fit the GPL, that it still goes against the overall intention of the license.
That actually goes against everything, really.
> Would a documented disassembly work? I'd be willing to help do that and put a repo up somewhere (GitHub, etc.), but I'm not sure about the legality of doing a third-party reverse-engineering job and claiming it as the original author's licensed/blessed code.
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> I guess there really is no such thing as a free lunch/code. ;)
If the copyright holder says so, yes.
I'm going to go ahead and try to contact Paul Lutus, and see what he
says.
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Eric Rucker - http://bhtooefr.org - bhtooefr@bhtooefr.org
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| Re: License of Electric Duet music player routine [message #243276 is a reply to message #243273] |
Mon, 10 February 2014 17:26 |
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On Tuesday, 11 February 2014 10:57:20 UTC+13, Eric Rucker wrote:
> I'm going to go ahead and try to contact Paul Lutus, and see what he says..
Mark hasn't announced the release of his project. I presume when he releases it there will be source code.
Why would you contact Paul Lutus about it when Mark has already done so? From what I've read about PL - and reading his website etc - it doesn't seem he's interested in providing or re-releasing his 8-bit software, so I don't think the source will come from him.
It's great that Mark got permission from him.
Cheers,
Nick.
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| Re: License of Electric Duet music player routine [message #243310 is a reply to message #243276] |
Mon, 10 February 2014 20:59 |
dagz
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On Monday, February 10, 2014 4:26:50 PM UTC-6, sicklittlemonkey wrote:
> Why would you contact Paul Lutus about it when Mark has already done so? From what I've read about PL - and reading his website etc - it doesn't seem he's interested in providing or re-releasing his 8-bit software, so I don't think the source will come from him.
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The point is that Paul Lutus supposedly released the player under GPL (indeed generous), but by definition the GPL states you *must* include the source code. It doesn't stop any of us from using it in our productions or anything, but GPL is really indicative of something entirely different than "free-to-use".
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| Re: License of Electric Duet music player routine [message #243354 is a reply to message #243310] |
Tue, 11 February 2014 05:11 |
bhtooefr
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Dagen Brock <DagenBrock@gmail.com> wrote:
> The point is that Paul Lutus supposedly released the player under GPL (indeed generous), but by definition the GPL states you *must* include the source code. It doesn't stop any of us from using it in our productions or anything, but GPL is really indicative of something entirely different than "free-to-use".
Technically, it DOES stop us from legally using it in our productions,
given that there's no other license in which distribution is allowed, as
far as I know.
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| Re: License of Electric Duet music player routine [message #243392 is a reply to message #243354] |
Tue, 11 February 2014 10:14 |
dagz
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On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 4:11:41 AM UTC-6, Eric Rucker wrote:
> Technically, it DOES stop us from legally using it in our productions,
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I'm just saying that he's basically given his blessing for people to use it, so they can. It's not clear that you could use it for commercial purposes, but I'm pretty sure he's not going to come after you if you did.
That said, he can't claim it's available under GPL. He probably just wanted a nice permissive license and was unfamiliar with the requirements.
TL;DR - Go ahead and use it, but it ain't GPL/FOSS.
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| Re: License of Electric Duet music player routine [message #247693 is a reply to message #243197] |
Sun, 23 March 2014 22:01 |
markpilgrimfastmail
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On Monday, February 10, 2014 1:09:47 PM UTC-5, Eric Rucker wrote:
> And, what version of the GPL?
Sorry for the confusion. He was actually quite specific about this, but I truncated his message. Here is the relevant portion of his original email reply, in full:
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How about this:
Electric Duet Music Player Copyright 1982, P. Lutus
Released under the GPL (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html)
If the above won't fit in the available width, try this instead:
Electric Duet Music Player
Copyright 1982, P. Lutus
Released under the GPL
(http://www.gnu.org)
"""
So, <http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html>, which is GPL 3 or later.
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