Article-I.D.: topaz.2713
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From: Evan Kirshenbaum 

>I concur.  And as an attempt to come up with a gap-bridging
>conversation-starter, can anyone think of interesting examples of
>written SF in which music played a dominant theme?  

Stories that come to mind immediately include:
  McCaffrey's ``Harper Hall'' trilogy (Dragonsong, -singer, and
                                       -drums)
  McCaffrey's ``The Ship Who Sang''

Stories which use music, but not as a dominant theme, include:
  Adams' Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything [The Disaster Area
         concert]
  C. Smith's  ``Under Old Earth'' [The congohelium]
  Anthony's _Macroscope_ [Ivo's flute]
  
Without refering to my collection, that's all I can think of offhand.
McCaffrey's the only author I know of who really uses music as an
important part of the story.

Evan Kirshenbaum
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Article-I.D.: drutx.3287
Posted: Fri Jul 19 13:20:20 1985
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Has anyone mentioned "Armageddon Rag" yet?  It has a playlist
of songs in the front of it that are supposed to be played as
you read the book.

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Article-I.D.: bunkerb.535
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> From: kdale@MINET-VHN-EM
> 
> 
> >I concur. And as an attempt to come up with a gap-bridging
> >conversation-starter, can anyone think of interesting examples of
> >written SF in which music played a dominant theme?
> 
> One story that I haven't seen mentioned is:
>   Cherryh's "Crystal Singer" (it *was* Cherryh, wasn't it?)
> 

No, it was Anne McCaffrey, actually.

Another example of musically-oriented SF is the short story "The Tunesmith",
by Lloyd Biggle, Jr.  It tells of a man named Erlin Baq who writes jingles
for commercials which become popular for themselves.  There's lots more
to it than that, but it would take a while to describe.  It's a very good
story.


M. Shurtleff                    ....decvax!ittatc!bunker!bunkerb!mary

            "Anyone for a jelly baby?"

Article-I.D.: dcl-cs.331
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Yet more examples of music/ian being a dominant theme in
an SF/F novel are :-
(i) 'Piper at the Gates of Dawn'  (Short story)
(ii) 'The Road to Corley'

Both are by Richard Cowper and are published by Pan in the UK.
I think 'Piper...' is in a book called 'The Guardians' I'd
appreciate help in finding a copy of this as I really 
enjoyed the story.

Gareth.
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  this remind me of ? ... oh yes ... LIFE . "
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Article-I.D.: aplvax.134
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On the topic of music in SF, I have a different sort of example -
the Japanese animated series Mospeada.  The title of each of the 25
episodes includes a musical term or a reference to musical performance.
Some examples, with the musical reference marked -
	1. *Prelude* to Attack
	6. Young Girl *Blues*
	7. *Ragtime* for a Dead Hero
	9. Lost World *Fugue*
	10. *Requiem* of the Battlefield
	25. *Symphony* of Light
One of the main characters, Yellow Belmont, is a rock star and his
performances are used as cover for the resistance groups attacks
against the aliens who have invaded and control Earth.

Unfortunately, the cut up version of this show now being seen in
the U.S. as part of Robotech, along with episodes from the unrelated
shows Macross and Southern Cross, has entirely new titles and a new
sound track.  Yellow's character was mostly cut out, since he performs
as a woman and frequently dresses and acts femininely - and you can't
allow that in a "children's" show.  They even changed the character's
name, adding a line about Yellow being just a stage name.

			Mary Anne Espenshade
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Article-I.D.: drutx.3346
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Another trilogy that was music related--at least a harp
played a large part--was Patricia McKillip's Riddle Master
set.  I remember Riddle Master of Hed, and Harpist in the Wind.
The other title escapes me.  Is is Heir of Sea and Fire?

I am fond of this series because this was the first real
fantasy I ever read and enjoyed.  I was always a hard SF
fan, from 10 years old, but except for Tolkien (who is really
in another league altogether) I had never read fantasy.  My current
husband gave me this trilogy to read, and I got hooked.

What has this author done besides these?  Has she had any
books out recently and are they as good?

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Article-I.D.: dcl-cs.332
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In article <331@dcl-cs.UUCP> gdh@dcl-cs.UUCP (Gareth Husk) writes:
>
>Both are by Richard Cowper and are published by Pan in the UK.
>I think 'Piper...' is in a book called 'The Guardians' I'd
>appreciate help in finding a copy of this as I really 
>enjoyed the story.
>
Okay I made a mistake and hopefully I can correct it before the net
fills to overflowing. 'Piper at the Gates of Dawn' is in a book
called 'The Custodians' ( Imean its virtually the same thing ).

Gareth.


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Article-I.D.: edison.517
Posted: Tue Jul 23 09:27:37 1985
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 >I concur.  And as an attempt to come up with a gap-bridging
 >conversation-starter, can anyone think of interesting examples of
 >written SF in which music played a dominant theme?  

 "Songmaster" by Orson Scott Card.

David Albrecht
General Electric

Article-I.D.: edison.524
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> 
> 
> Another trilogy that was music related--at least a harp
> played a large part--was Patricia McKillip's Riddle Master
> set.  I remember Riddle Master of Hed, and Harpist in the Wind.
> The other title escapes me.  Is is Heir of Sea and Fire?
> 
Yep!
> What has this author done besides these?  Has she had any
> books out recently and are they as good?
> 
The only other book that I know of by Patricia is "The Forgotten Beasts
of Eld" and while not the same caliber as the Riddle of Stars trilogy
it is certainly a reasonably good read.

David Albrecht
General Electric

Article-I.D.: hyper.231
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> From: Evan Kirshenbaum 
> 
>   
> Without refering to my collection, that's all I can think of offhand.
> McCaffrey's the only author I know of who really uses music as an
> important part of the story.
> 
> Evan Kirshenbaum

Llyod Biggle Jr's THE STILL SMALL VOICE OF TRUMPETS is
one example, but nearly everything of Biggle's features
music in one way or another.  (Just in general, by the
way, I like Biggle quite a bit.)

		-- SKZB

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Posted: Fri Aug  2 13:46:41 1985
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In article <2839@topaz.ARPA> DOLSON@USC-ECLB.ARPA writes:
>From: Douglas M. Olson 
>
>       ...  its called "The Time of the Hawklords" and was written
>with Michael Butterworth, C. 1976.
>
>Doug

This was the first volume in a planned trilogy. The second volume
was published in 197{8,9} written by Moorcock on his own. It was
called something like "The Queen of delerium". I have never heard of the
third volume in the series. Does anyone out there know if it was ever 
published? Nine years is a long time to wait to find out what happens
after the setting up for the sequel done in vol 2.


BTW. I haven't seen any mention of the double album of
H.G. Wells' "War of the Worlds" from about 1980 mentioned
in this category.

			Bob Gray
			ERCC.

Article-I.D.: topaz.2996
Posted: Mon Jul 29 17:42:14 1985
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From: nancy@MIT-HTVAX.ARPA


    From: Sheila Coyazo 

    Re music in sf stories and novels:

    Has anybody mentioned The Ship Who Sang?  The author was a woman,
    but I can't remember who.

It is yet another Anne McCaffery tale.

	-Nancy Connor 

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Posted: Thu Aug  1 10:41:56 1985
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Summary: 

There has been much ado about Micheal Moorcock's (sp?) contributions to 
 Hawkwind of late. I think Moorcock is great, I don't know squat about
 Hawkwind. However, on the topic of Moorcock's songwriting he is listed on
 the credits of two Blue Oyster Cult songs, namely Veteran of the Psycic 
 Wars and Black Blade. Both of obvious science fiction-fantasy bent.

-- 

                                        Mark Schlagenhauf
                                     Purdue University
                                    ihnp4!pur-ee!pucc-k!afw

Article-I.D.: topaz.3051
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From: NORRIS@SRI-AI.ARPA

 P. McKillip is one of my favorite authors.  I met her at a local writing
 conference, and was surprised at how young she was.  The first book I read by
 her was -The Forgotton Beasts of Eld- which is a WONDERFUL book.  She said
 (I think) that she started to write this book for money, but the main character
 Sybil kind of "took over the book."  
 
 She has also written a short book called -The Throme of the Erril of Sherril-
 (not sure of the spelling).  This she wrote after taking a course in Middle
 English.  It can sometimes be found in the children's section, as can her
 other books.  When I met her, about 1980, she said that she was going to try to write some mainstream fiction.

 Aline Norris Baeck
 Norris@sri-ai.arpa


P.S.  Here is a list  of her books according to Books in Print.  Some have 
2 versions, paperback or hardback.  Enjoy!

  Moonflash
  ISBN: 0-425-08457-4

  The Quest of the Riddlemaster
  ISBN: 0-345-26198-4

  The Forgotten Beasts of Eld
  ISBN: 0-380-00480-1

  Thm Oight Gift
  ISBN: 0-689-70470-4

  The House on Parchment Street
  ISBN: 0-689-70451-8

  The Forgotten Beasts of Eld
  ISBN: 0-425-06595-2

  The Riddle-Master of Hed
  ISBN: 0-345-28881-5

  Heir of Sea & Fire
  ISBN: 0-345-28882-3

  Harpist in the Wind
  ISBN: 0-689-30687-3

  The Throme of the Erril of Sherill
  ISBN: 0-689-30115-4

  Stepping from the Shadows
  ISBN: 0-689-11211-4

  The Riddle-Master of Hed
  ISBN: 0-689-30545-1

  The Night Gift
  ISBN: 0-689-30508-7

  Heir of Sea & Fire
  ISBN: 0-689-30606-7

  The Forgotten Beasts of Eld
  ISBN: 0-689-30434-X

  Moon-Flash
  ISBN: 0-689-31049-8

  Stepping from the Shadows
  ISBN: 0-425-07107-3


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Article-I.D.: topaz.3159
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From: ANDREW SIGEL 

Another novel in which music plays an important role is
A MIRROR FOR OBSERVERS by Edgar Pangborn.  I highly recommend
it, even though its near-future setting is, by now, past, and
some of the speculations far from fulfilled.