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From: padraig@utastro.UUCP (Padraig Houlahan)
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Subject: desirability of freedom.
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Date: Mon, 22-Jul-85 21:21:53 EDT
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Posted: Mon Jul 22 21:21:53 1985
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>>This is not just an assertion on Rich's part. There is empirical evidence
>>demonstrating the desirability of freedom, and the desirability of
>>increasing one's chances of survival. Look at any region of the world where
>>refugees are; They are fleeing totalitarian societies, famine, and
>>war. This fact is all that is needed to justify Rich's point of view, and
>>consequently show that freedom etc is of some value.
>
>But this only presents a problem if you accept the position that all lives
>are of equal value, and perhaps many others as well.  This simply is not
>universally accepted.  It isn't even clear that a majority truly accept it.
>
>Charley Wingate  umcp-cs!mangoe

Who said it presents a problem? I didn't.

Who mentioned anything about equality of lives? I didn't.

Who said anything about it being universally accepted? I didn't.


The point was to demonstrate that freedom etc. is of some value.
Recall that the paragraph was in response to:

> Perhaps there is a presupposition lurking somewhere in your rationale...
> bolstered, presumably, by wishful thinking that "freedom" (undefined) and
> "benefit" (also undefined - both probably subjective) are of some value.
> Perhaps you are right - but why should anyone believe you are?  You
> can't give a reason, so you end up with proof by assertion.
> 
> Paul DuBois     {allegra,ihnp4,seismo}!uwvax!uwmacc!dubois        --+--


It would be appreciated if you would stick to the topic and stop trying
to introduce digressions when no appropriate response is forthcoming.

Padraig Houlahan.