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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
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Subject: Re: More levels of explanation and definitions of free
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Date: Wed, 31-Jul-85 12:23:19 EDT
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> The topic has been free will.  Specificly wether or  not  someone  can
> change  their  reaction  to  events  happening  to  them.  (A  similar
> discussion is going on in net.singles about "choosing" to feel pain at
> being  turned  down  for  a  date,  but  I don't recall if the two are
> related or not.)

I think they are, very much so.

> The situation brought up is that Rich has an aversion
> to eating apricots and wonders if he can "choose" to change that.
>>> And as I said above (in my previous posting), you cannot make a change
>>> in your response to something when you have an internal conflict about
>>> making that change. [PEASE]
>
>>But what does "liking" or "not liking" something mean?  Is it necessarily,
>>as Jeff Sargent put it, a biochemical direct thing (something about my
>>taste buds and nervous system that automatically sends the sensation of
>>apricot chemicals to the "UGGGGHH!" center of my brain), or could it be
>>that I associate, cognitively but subconsciously, the sensation of tasting
>>apricots with "UGGGGHH!"?  Is that what "internal conflict" means? [RICH]
> 
> It doesn't matter what "liking" or "not liking"  means.  [PEASE]

Stop.  If it "doesn't matter" what the words we are talking about mean,
we're not having a conversation.  Two people are just making sounds at
each other.  If we can't understand the meaning of what is being said,
moreover, if one of us doesn't CARE to, conversation is meaningless.
-- 
"Because love grows where my Rosemary goes and nobody knows but me."
						Rich Rosen   pyuxd!rlr