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From: js2j@mhuxt.UUCP (sonntag)
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Subject: Re: perpetual motion(the suppression of liquid hydrogen, a clean fuel)
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Date: Wed, 3-Apr-85 09:49:56 EST
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> In article <1426@hao.UUCP> ward@hao.UUCP (Mike Ward) writes:
> >> If you take a large solar collector array, and plug the electrodes into the
> >> ocean, you get hydrogen and oxymorons.  Bottle the hydrogen, put it into
> >> the tanks of the hydrogen burning cars (which burn it catalytically in
> >> a fuel cell) and you get electricity to run your electric motor).  There,
> >> wasn't that easier than mounting a collector array on your car or running
> >> at the end of a long extension cord?  
> >
> >Why not bottle the oxygen, too.  Then, if you put your solar
> >collectors on the roof of the car and ran the exhaust back into
> >the electrowhatsis, you'd have the perfect, closed system.
> >Michael Ward, NCAR/SCD
> 
> This is precisely the kind of thinking all too few of us are willing
> to do (It was the lack of this kind of thinking that my original
> article, where hydrogen fueled cars were mentioned, was deploring).
> 
> I am sure there are plenty of people out there who will say, "But that
> won't work because..."  To them, I say, please tell us how we can make
> it work (& why it needs to be changed).

     But that won't work because there's absolutely no point in bottling the
oxygen when 20% of the atmosphere is made of O2 anyhow.  Also, a solar 
collector small enough to fit on the roof of your car could, with a day of
nice sunshine, probably generate enough hydrogen to allow you to drive 400
yards or so.
> 
> I would imagine the system proposed above would not be a closed system
> because the solar collectors that will fit on a car will not generate
> enough power to be the car's sole power source.  But they can reduce
> the amount of externally provided power needed & the difference can be
> made up by plugging into electrical outlets when the car is parked.
> Refills will probably be needed due to minor leaks & possibly less
> than perfect reclamation of used fuel.
> 
> Come on, all you creative people out in netland.  Let's refine this to
> the level someone can build a working model!
> 
> -- 
>  Blessed Be,
> 
>  Jeff Hull            {decvax,hplabs,ihnp4,scdrdcf,ucbvax}
>  13817 Yukon Ave.         trwrb!trwspp!spp2!jhull
>  Hawthorne, CA 90250

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