Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxd.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxd!rlr From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Dr. Emmanuel Wu) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: free will (1 more try before I give up ...) Message-ID: <881@pyuxd.UUCP> Date: Tue, 9-Apr-85 12:29:04 EST Article-I.D.: pyuxd.881 Posted: Tue Apr 9 12:29:04 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 10-Apr-85 06:52:15 EST References: <5414@utzoo.UUCP> <875@pyuxd.UUCP> Organization: STRONGARM COLLECTION AGENCY: We have no slogan Lines: 24 An even better example more related to my own experience. As a musician, I not only appreciate songs/compositions as a listening experience, but also as something to marvel at from a perspective of awe at the process of composition/creation/performance. When I listen to Debussy's "Footprints in the Snow", or Partch's "Daphne of the Dunes", or Lennon and McCartney singing "If I Fell", I can marvel not only the experience of listening but the form and craft of the composition itself. "If I Fell" may be a primordial Beatles tearjerker, but I can appreciate it as both a listening experience AND an admiration of its craft, having learned and studied it to understand what went into making that piece what it is. Again, the same goes for living life. Attempting to know and understand the mechanisms of life, of thought, of action, does not impede appreciating life as it happens. It's not necessary to forcefit notions of free will just to placate your own need not to believe in those mechanisms. You can have both an appreciation of the mechanisms and an appreciation of their results. Your point that you choose to believe in free will because otherwise you would feel no purpose in living is contradicted by the fact that other people do feel purpose without assuming free will. You had claimed that for you this is an impossibility. I hope for your sake that it is not, and that this provides an alternative to that. -- "Wait a minute. '*WE*' decided??? *MY* best interests????" Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr