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From: sidney@linus.UUCP (Sidney Markowitz)
Newsgroups: net.origins
Subject: Re: Orphaned Response
Message-ID: <279@linus.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 18-Mar-85 16:04:43 EST
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Posted: Mon Mar 18 16:04:43 1985
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In article <14600003@hpfcrs.UUCP> lief@hpfcrs.UUCP (lief) writes:
>
>
>     Your supposedly *scientific* theory of evolution can't even answer the
>simple question of where all matter came from in the first place, or what was
>here before the beginning, or what lies beyond the universe -- need I say
>any more about the primitive nature of the theory of evolution?
>
  [ ... ]

>     Now for those folks who insist that the Biblical story of creation is
>only a metaphor or a Fable, what is your proof of such assertation?  Until
>you can prove your point, don't waste your breath.  The Creation story sure
>makes alot more scense than the theory of evolution.
>
>Lief Sorensen

Ok, so now we have another vocal proponent of creationism. Maybe you, Lief,
will answer the questions that no other creationist has been willing to
address on the net. Just what is the theory of creationism that you believe
in? Specifically:

1) You state you believe in the Biblical story of creation. Which Bible in
particular? I would assume you are referring to the account in Genesis in
the Judeo-Christian Old Testament, but which translation? According to which
theologians' interpretations?

2) If you interpret the creation story as involving the sudden appearance of
the universe and current species of life some thousands (or even millions)
of years ago, what is your explanation of such things as (a) indications
that there are stars billions of light-years away, so that the light we see
from them has been on its way to us for billions of years (b) evidence from
red-shift and background radiation that is consistent with a big-bang having
occurred billions of years ago (c) estimates of age of items based on
various radio-isotope dating techniques?

3) Even better than answers to the few example questions in (2), how about a
summary of your understanding of how creation happened and what has happened
since then, in a sufficiently comprehensive version so that it provides an
explanation for the various phenomena that astrophysicists, geologists,
biologists, etc., have developed their theories to explain? 

So far I've seen nothing from any creationist here that even begins to
answer these questions. How can you expect to convince people that you even
*have* a theory without explaining anything? Well, Lief, do you care enough
about your beliefs to try for a credible answer?


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					Sidney Markowitz

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