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From: brower@fortune.UUCP (Richard Brower)
Newsgroups: net.motss
Subject: Re: Homosexuality and the bible
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Date: Mon, 11-Feb-85 16:50:19 EST
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Posted: Mon Feb 11 16:50:19 1985
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In article <1318@hou4b.UUCP> mat@hou4b.UUCP (Mark Terribile) writes:
>That circular track, for some lucky  people, is the belief that they should
>have nothing on their minds bigger than God.  As to  ``how holy thou art'' ...
>where do you draw the line between believing that you are doing the right thing
>and being self-righteous?  It isn't always obvious.

What?  You don't eat, put your pants (or nylons) on one leg at a time,
or think about how you are going to pay for the above objects just like
I do?  Bullshit.  You don't think about God all the the time then.

>>> Leviticus 18:22-30
>>> Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.
>>the way most men of the time treated their women, it would be an abomination.
>>>...
>>> Therefore shall ye keep mine ordinance, that ye commit not any one of these
>>> abominable customs, which were committed before you, and that ye defile not
>>> yourselves therein: I am the Lord your God.
>For the thoughtful Christian, this is the crux of a moral dilemma:  Does
>this orientation, not of an individual's choosing, give someone the burden
>of obeying very severe laws that others are not burdened by?  Or does it give
>them the right to contravene statements that appear (to many, anyway) to be
>clear prohibitions?

Unfortunately, most Christians ignore the rest of that book of the Bible,
eating pork and shellfish, milk at the same meal as meat (and on the same
dishes, even), and only pick out these half dozen verses to claim as God's
Law out of Leviticus.  Isn't this a bit hypocritical?

>Hmm.  I don't know anyone who does that.  As I said, there are dilemmas
>involved, but there's a difference between ``We don't want society to say
>what you're doing is right.'' and ``We want to burn you at the stake because
>we want to see you burn in Hell.''

You just want society to say that because what we are doing is 'not right'
(according to you), we should be allowed to be fired from our jobs, thrown
out of our houses...  Not quite burning at the stake, is it?  Burning is
faster!

>For what it's worth, it was (and probably still is).  Most people nowadays
>are content to let things go on behind closed doors.  This wasn't always
>true ... look at Oscar Wilde and Alan Turing.

Forutunately, even in those states where it is still illegal, the courts
are throwing such laws out (Texas was the last).  And I agree, Christian
intolerance has been going on for far to long.

>I doubt that you are speaking to your audience here.  It's unlikely that too
>many people on this net are doing many of the things that you have described.
>And the people engaging in assuaults such as those you describe are NOT
>behaving in a very Christian manner, so perhaps flaming at Christians is not
>speaking to your audience either.
>	from Mole End			Mark Terribile

But I know lots of young people who have been thrown out of their
Christian parents home because they were gay, often after being
subjected to avertion therapy, electo-shock therapy, or prayer
marathons.  Sorry, but they call themselves Christians and go to
Church 4 times a week and read their Bibles.  Jerry Falwell, that
'great Chrittian fellow' in the news for the last few years, tells
lies on his pulpit.  I can only go by what they tell me, since enough
of them act the same way, I assume its a Christian trait.  Even you
seem to want to 'keep me in my place' ('we don't want society to
endorse what you do').

Fuck off Christian!
-- 
Richard A. Brower		Fortune Systems
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