Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site topaz.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!cbdkc1!desoto!packard!topaz!josh From: josh@topaz.ARPA (J Storrs Hall) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: What is socialism? Message-ID: <589@topaz.ARPA> Date: Mon, 11-Feb-85 15:55:26 EST Article-I.D.: topaz.589 Posted: Mon Feb 11 15:55:26 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 12-Feb-85 06:42:41 EST References: <309@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> <329@topaz.ARPA> <501@fisher.UUCP><1340@dciem.UUCP> <1363@dciem.UUCP> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 24 > ... Now I feel "libertarian" to be a disgusting > epithet for a person whose selfishness knows no bounds and who has > a trumped-up excuse for a philosophy to cover his (or her) essentially > childish magical view of the world. > > Martin Taylor If this isn't an ad hominem argument, I don't know what is. It seems to be ok for those calling themselves "socialist" to attack the motives of those who call themselves "libertarian", but when it happens the other way they scream to high Heaven. I'll be quite frank: if you will not respect the motives of libertarians, and base your objections to the ideology on questions of fact and economic and political theory, I can hardly trust your own claim to humanitarian motives, and will confront you with the real-world results of your misbegotten philosophy at every turn. Unfortunately, I fear the libertarians on the net will continue patiently explaining their position and their motives, in muted, reasonable tones, to your (and Sevener's) deaf ears. They seem to have the patience of Job, the gift to "suffer fools gladly." I don't. --JoSH