Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site hcrvx1.UUCP Path: utzoo!hcrvax!hcrvx1!tracy From: tracy@hcrvx1.UUCP (Tracy Tims) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: What's degrading? Message-ID: <1114@hcrvx1.UUCP> Date: Mon, 11-Feb-85 21:12:29 EST Article-I.D.: hcrvx1.1114 Posted: Mon Feb 11 21:12:29 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 12-Feb-85 03:12:42 EST References: <2285@randvax.UUCP> Organization: Human Computing Resources Corp Lines: 37 decvax!randvax!edhall: A photograph of someone turns them into an object. Through the photograph, the photographic subject becomes completely passive. A photograph of someone is an object, it doesn't turn that person into one. I think that degradation is caused by people who confuse (in negative ways) the photograph (or the written description) of the person with the person. A person who understands that the two are not AT ALL the same thing will not personify the photograph with "passivity" and will certainly not project that passivity onto the real person. Taking a photograph produces a photograph, not degradation! Degradation can exist with or without photographs, and photographs can exist with or without degradation! It's obvious that any essential correlations between the two will not be true to fact! You can say that frequently, photographs are perceived in degrading ways by certain people. But that's only a statistical observation and says far more about the person watching than it does about the photograph itself. Is a photograph alone in a forest degrading? Tracy Tims {linus,allegra,decvax}!watmath!... Human Computing Resources Corporation {ihnp4,utzoo}!... Toronto, Ontario, Canada. 416 922-1937 ...hcr!hcrvx1!tracy PS. If you want to say that because photographs are more immediately real than other images or symbols of human beings this makes it easier for unsane people to project their degraded ideas onto the real person, I might agree with you. It's the unsane people with the degraded ideas that are the problem. Talking about photographs is shifting responsibility away from the true problem!