Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.PCS 1/10/84; site ahuta.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxb!mhuxn!mhuxm!mhuxj!houxm!ahuta!yossi From: yossi@ahuta.UUCP (j.friedman) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: "Jewish State" vs. "state for the Jews" Message-ID: <452@ahuta.UUCP> Date: Tue, 12-Feb-85 17:47:00 EST Article-I.D.: ahuta.452 Posted: Tue Feb 12 17:47:00 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 13-Feb-85 04:43:06 EST References: <861@eisx.UUCP> <4644@ucbvax.ARPA> <8@cvl.UUCP>, <312@mhuxm.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Information Systems Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 31 REFERENCES: <861@eisx.UUCP> <4644@ucbvax.ARPA> <8@cvl.UUCP>, <312@mhuxm.UUCP> J. Abeles makes a blanket statement that all Orthodox Jews strive to keep themselves seperate from other Jews. This is simply not the case. Many Orthodox mix with their non-Orthodox friends, and "has vehalila!!", *even* with non-Jews. The very fact that many participants in discussions in this medium are Orthodox bears this out. It is also not true that the Orthodox "discourage [the non religious] from attempting to become more religious Jews!" Despite Abeles' remarks about the Lubavitch, they are very active, together with other segments of the religious community, in attempting to "bring closer" the non observant. While it is true that some groups encourage the close knit philosophy, there are, at the same time, Yeshivot dedicated to the philosophy of synthesis (thanx YU) between Torah and Madah and Derech Eretz. Abeles (sorry, don't know your first name), you are not "safe in asserting" that Orthodoxy wants to have nothing to do with the rest of the Jewish world. As for involvement in parliamentary affairs, it is only natural, and a folly to refrain from endeavoring to further your beliefs in a democratic fashion. If you don't like the parliamentary setup in Israel, why don't you try changing it the democratic way. Abeles seems to be inciting one part of Judaism against the other by stereotyping certain groups. Why don't we leave that to others and try to bring everyone together, not push them far apart. Joe Friedman AT&T-IS Lincroft ahuta!yossi