Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site masscomp.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!masscomp!trb From: trb@masscomp.UUCP (Andy Tannenbaum) Newsgroups: net.followup Subject: Re: Gary Perlman leaves the net in disgust Message-ID: <612@masscomp.UUCP> Date: Tue, 12-Feb-85 19:25:04 EST Article-I.D.: masscomp.612 Posted: Tue Feb 12 19:25:04 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 13-Feb-85 04:40:08 EST References: <156@wanginst.UUCP> <356@scc.UUCP> <437@down.FUN> <44@daisy.UUCP> <2332@nsc.UUCP> Reply-To: trb@masscomp.UUCP (Andy Tannenbaum) Distribution: net Organization: Masscomp - Westford, MA Lines: 57 Summary: In article <2332@nsc.UUCP> chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach) writes: > Sigh. As people like Peter Honeyman drive people like Gary Perlman off the > network, the network will end up with greater and greater percentages of > people like Peter Honeyman. I suggest that you all look carefully at the > positive contributions of Gary Perlman and Peter Honeyman and decide for > themselves whether or not this is to be considered forward progress. > chuq (just because you are 'famous' doesn't give you the right to be a jerk) I would kill for a net full of honeys... Boy, I haven't participated in a USENET flame session since my days as a dashing young star on this dashing young network... Chuqui is using a bit of fallacy here by asking us to compare the positive contributions of Honey and Gary. The point is how you feel about the interaction in question, not their general contributions. But as long as Chuqui asks, I will answer, since both Honey and Gary are too cool to answer for themselves. (I count both among my pals.) Gary was a hacker at UCSD for a long time and he put out some neato software to do statistical hacking and some software of questionable practicality to do menu research. Gary wrote a goofy shar lately, which apparently honey pounced him for. Honey was the king of allegra at BTL for a long time. He was responsible for allowing allegra to be used as the uucp gateway to the world, before ihnp4 or anyone else. Honey was at the center of the honeydanber uucp project, which finally produced the only usable version of uucp. (hdb is now available from AT&T, by the way, too bad there was no fanfare and the prices are outrageous, more on that in some netnews I will soon write for net.bugs.uucp etc.) Honey recently wrote a path disambiguator for mail, and has written many cute hacks in his day. Anyway. Honey is a sometimes caustic individual. Sometimes people feel his wrist should be slapped. Slap slap, honey, you brute. Gary is evidently sensitive to a caustic nature such as honey's. Pet, pet, nice Gary, Honey is a meanie. I still like both honey and Gary. I think (personal opinion here) that honey has contributed more in the way of useful software and services to USENET from my perspective. So what? That's not the point. If honey jumped down Gary's throat, then the question to ask is, did Gary deserve it and was honey too harsh? I think Gary deserved it, and I don't think honey was too harsh. That's because I'm a generally tolerant person, your mileage may differ. I am most appalled by Gary's bleeding-heart attitude about leaving the net, and the bleeding heart support he's been getting from the sensitive-male netter of the 80's. It's enough to make a tall man drown in his own barf. Andy Tannenbaum Masscomp Westford, MA (617) 692-6200 x274 New England Nursing Home for Network Stars