Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/17/84; site mhuxv.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!mhuxv!segs From: segs@mhuxv.UUCP (slusky) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Conversions and who is a * Message-ID: <225@mhuxv.UUCP> Date: Tue, 12-Feb-85 11:12:13 EST Article-I.D.: mhuxv.225 Posted: Tue Feb 12 11:12:13 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 13-Feb-85 03:54:47 EST Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 26 {} The discussion about conversion seems to shift ground pretty frequently aroud here. Here in the old debating thesis style are the three resolutions I've noticed being debated. 1. BE IT RESOLVED THAT all conversions to Judaism be performed as specified by Halacha, i.e. with brit mila for males and mikve for all. 2. BE IT RESOLVED THAT all conversions to Judaism be performed as in 1. and be supervised by an Orthodox rabbi. (This gets into the Joe Abeles question of who is a rabbi.) 3. BE IT RESOLVED THAT all converts to Judaism convert with the intention of being Orthodox Jews. (and therefore of course convert as per 2.) The unsaid coda to each of these is, "and when this is violated, we shouldn't consider the converts to be Jews." I thought Sam Saal was debating point 2. From his last posting, it appears he is actually arguing point 3. I find point 3 very difficult to take seriously. It is unrealistic to attempt to force all converts into one pigeon hole when born Jews sort themselves into so many pigeon holes. Susan Slusky --