Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 Apollo 1/28/85; site apollo.uucp Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxb!mhuxn!mhuxm!mhuxj!houxm!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!wanginst!apollo!dineen From: dineen@apollo.uucp (Terence H Dineen) Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: Re: freedom, democracy, etc:Reply to cliff Message-ID: <24bb6d52.264c@apollo.uucp> Date: Tue, 12-Feb-85 13:55:17 EST Article-I.D.: apollo.24bb6d52.264c Posted: Tue Feb 12 13:55:17 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 14-Feb-85 00:41:24 EST Organization: Apollo Computer, Chelmsford, Mass. Lines: 30 > >You can cancel your membership at anytime. You are > >free to emigrate. Former citizens living elsewhere are not taxed (I hope). > > Actually, moving to another country will generally cost you more than > the taxes we were discussing in the first place. This is like > saying you can easily prevent the government's cutting off your > fingers by cutting off your arm ahead of time. I thought we were discussing the use of the word "coercive". Saying you're not free because it will cost you to exercise your freedom sounds like a Carnesian position (with which I sympathize though I would not expect a libertarian to). > It's nothing like membership in a groub that you can cancel by > saying "Count me out." Agreed, some ties bind more tightly than others (in a practical sense); but that does not prove "coercion". > > Another point to note is that foreign nationals working in the US > are required to pay taxes here, and that American citizens abroad > are still required to pay taxes here. So we agree (at least in the case of the US): Former citizens living elsewhere are not taxed. > --JoSH Terry Dineen