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From: kenw@lcuxc.UUCP (K Wolman)
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Subject: Re: Schechter's Answer to Abeles: A Question
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Date: Thu, 7-Feb-85 08:34:20 EST
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Posted: Thu Feb  7 08:34:20 1985
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[Asher Schecter writes of Joseph Abeles:]

>[S]omeone used to the American Democratic system cannot understand
>how a minority wants to enforce their laws on the public. However Israel
>was not established by secular zionists but rather by G-d, and not in
>1948 B.C. but rather in 1948 W.C. (from creation of the world) when 
>G-d promised the land of Israel to Abraham. All sectors of Judaism
>agree that throughout Biblical  times only Orthodox laws were the
>laws of Israel. There were no reform or conservative or any other
>phony  pseudo-jewish laws in effect. 
 
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I had always understood that one of the reasons the so-called
"ultra-Orthodox" Hasidic sects such as the Satmars and their 
followers in Israel, the Naturei Karta, are opposed to the State of
Israel is because they view it as founded by irreligious MEN, not
by God according to His Torah.  If indeed the present-day State of
Israel was founded by God, and is in fact a lineal continuation of
the state and land promised to Abraham, then WHY were God's 
instruments in the "rebirth" (Schecter's word) a series of far from
devout men: Moses Hess, Thedore Herzl, Vladimir Jabotinsky, Chaim
Weitzmann, David Ben-Gurion, et. al.?  
-- 

                                Ken Wolman
             Bell Communications Research @ Livingston, N.J.
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