Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ucsfcgl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!sdcsvax!dcdwest!ittvax!decvax!ucbvax!ucsfcgl!arnold From: arnold@ucsfcgl.UUCP (Ken Arnold%CGL) Newsgroups: net.religion,net.flame Subject: Re: Mormons are not Christians. Message-ID: <442@ucsfcgl.UUCP> Date: Sat, 9-Feb-85 14:14:30 EST Article-I.D.: ucsfcgl.442 Posted: Sat Feb 9 14:14:30 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 11-Feb-85 05:17:02 EST References: <319@gargoyle.UChicago.UUCP> <432@ucsfcgl.UUCP> <1239@shark.UUCP> Reply-To: arnold@ucsfcgl.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab Lines: 40 Xref: watmath net.religion:5569 net.flame:8290 Summary: >> = me > = Stephen Hutchison > >Uhhhhhhh.... While I agree that there have been differences of belief, and >that doctrines of Trinity, f'rinstance, have been points of dissension, >I have to point out here that when major deviations from the teachings about >salvation and justification occur, they usually occur because of ignorance >of the New Testament writings, or because of revisionism (Gee, I don't like >this particular bit of theology, so I will claim that Paul, or Peter, or John, >was actually lying/misinterpreted here, and...) > > [ Some corrections to my example of "good works" vis-a-vis Catholic > sainthood ] The first paragraph claims that the problem has been "ignorance" and "revisionism". I will not be the first person to point out that the recorded statments of Jesus and the apostles are subject to wide interpretation, even if they are read in the original Greek. One preson's "revisionism" is another person's truth. For example, the discussion going on about whether premarital sex is proscripted, or as strongly proscripted as adultery, shows that there can be several linguistically valid interpretations of the same phrase. The concept of Trinity is not Biblical. It was added to Catholicism later, was the cause of a great schism within the early church. Another great unsolvable is whether God and Jesus are one, or whether Jesus, being the Son, was created later and is the servant of the Father. There is NO clear cut discussion of these important theological points in the Bible. So who is right depends not on a judgement of "ignorance" or "revisionism", but on discussion and argument and personal belief. I, also, am not Catholic, so I am quite willing to believe that I made some subtle but theologically crucial point. Any corrections are appreciated. -- Ken Arnold ================================================================= Of COURSE we can implement your algorithm. We've got this Turing machine emulator...