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From: dineen@apollo.uucp (Terence H Dineen)
Newsgroups: net.politics.theory
Subject: Re: Re: freedom, democracy, etc:Reply to cliff
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Date: Tue, 12-Feb-85 13:55:17 EST
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> >You can cancel your membership at anytime.  You are 
> >free to emigrate.  Former citizens living elsewhere are not taxed (I hope).
> 
> Actually, moving to another country will generally cost you more than
> the taxes we were discussing in the first place.  This is like
> saying you can easily prevent the government's cutting off your
> fingers by cutting off your arm ahead of time.
 
I thought we were discussing the use of the word "coercive".  Saying you're 
not free because it will cost you to exercise your freedom sounds like a 
Carnesian position (with which I sympathize though I would not expect a 
libertarian to).

> It's nothing like membership in a groub that you can cancel by
> saying "Count me out."

Agreed, some ties bind more tightly than others (in a practical sense);
but that does not prove "coercion".  

> 
> Another point to note is that foreign nationals working in the US
> are required to pay taxes here, and that American citizens abroad
> are still required to pay taxes here.

So we agree (at least in the case of the US): Former citizens living 
elsewhere are not taxed.
 
> --JoSH
 
Terry Dineen