Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site lcuxc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxb!mhuxr!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!lcuxc!kenw From: kenw@lcuxc.UUCP (K Wolman) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Schechter's Answer to Abeles: A Question Message-ID: <224@lcuxc.UUCP> Date: Thu, 7-Feb-85 08:34:20 EST Article-I.D.: lcuxc.224 Posted: Thu Feb 7 08:34:20 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 9-Feb-85 05:38:34 EST Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway, NJ Lines: 34 [Asher Schecter writes of Joseph Abeles:] >[S]omeone used to the American Democratic system cannot understand >how a minority wants to enforce their laws on the public. However Israel >was not established by secular zionists but rather by G-d, and not in >1948 B.C. but rather in 1948 W.C. (from creation of the world) when >G-d promised the land of Israel to Abraham. All sectors of Judaism >agree that throughout Biblical times only Orthodox laws were the >laws of Israel. There were no reform or conservative or any other >phony pseudo-jewish laws in effect. ***************************** I had always understood that one of the reasons the so-called "ultra-Orthodox" Hasidic sects such as the Satmars and their followers in Israel, the Naturei Karta, are opposed to the State of Israel is because they view it as founded by irreligious MEN, not by God according to His Torah. If indeed the present-day State of Israel was founded by God, and is in fact a lineal continuation of the state and land promised to Abraham, then WHY were God's instruments in the "rebirth" (Schecter's word) a series of far from devout men: Moses Hess, Thedore Herzl, Vladimir Jabotinsky, Chaim Weitzmann, David Ben-Gurion, et. al.? -- Ken Wolman Bell Communications Research @ Livingston, N.J. lcuxc!kenw (201) 740-4565 Kol machalokes shehi l'shaem shamayim, sofo l'hiskayaem; v'sheana l'shaem shamayim, ayn sofo l'hiskayaem.