Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83 v7 ucbtopaz-1.8; site ucbtopaz.CC.Berkeley.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxm!mhuxj!houxm!whuxlm!harpo!decvax!ucbvax!ucbtopaz!mwm From: mwm@ucbtopaz.CC.Berkeley.ARPA Newsgroups: net.politics.theory Subject: Re: What is a libertarian go[u]verment? Message-ID: <705@ucbtopaz.CC.Berkeley.ARPA> Date: Tue, 5-Feb-85 10:02:31 EST Article-I.D.: ucbtopaz.705 Posted: Tue Feb 5 10:02:31 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 9-Feb-85 07:32:24 EST References: <421@klipper.UUCP> <627@unmvax.UUCP> <6306@boring.UUCP> Reply-To: mwm@ucbtopaz.UUCP (Praiser of Bob) Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica Lines: 30 Summary: In article <6306@boring.UUCP> jack@boring.UUCP (Jack Jansen) writes: >In article <627@unmvax.UUCP> cliff@unmvax.UUCP writes: >>convicted criminal can either cough up sufficient money to pay for his trial >>incarceration, etc. or face deportation) >First law of Libertaria: It is illegal to murder, rape, steal or cheat, >unless you have enough money to bribe the government. Such utter bull. I'll concede that cliff chose a poor phrasing, but that's about it. Look under the "etc.". You should find money to pay the victims for their losses hiding under it. Thus, the first law is: if you don't behave socially, you either wind up paying for, or get thrown out of the society. Unlike an anarchy, there is something to judge what "socially" means, and you can't get shot for not being aesethically pleasing. >In my opinion, all articles defending libertarianism fail in one point: > IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO DEFEND THE EXISTENCE OF MONEY > IN AN EGALITARIAN SOCIETY. I won't talk about the utter bilge that gets pushed around under the name "Egalitarian Society," as you may have something reasonable in mind. However, I'll agree that "money," as we're used to thinking of it these days, doesn't belong in society. The government has no business controlling the banking industry to such an extent that it's promisary notes (promisary of what, you might ask) wind up being treated as things of intrinsic value. Maybe you had something else in mind when you said money. If so, let me know, and I'll either agree that it doesn't belong in society, or try and explain why it does.