Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site unm-cvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!sdcsvax!dcdwest!ittvax!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!lanl!unmvax!unm-cvax!cs2532aa From: cs2532aa@unm-cvax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.startrek Subject: Re: Menagerie Message-ID: <226@unm-cvax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 7-Feb-85 04:59:38 EST Article-I.D.: unm-cvax.226 Posted: Thu Feb 7 04:59:38 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 11-Feb-85 05:21:27 EST References: <2733@dartvax.UUCP> <4714@cbscc.UUCP> Reply-To: cs2532aa@unm-cvax.UUCP (Satan's Employee) Organization: The Spud Patrol - We Monitor Reality Lines: 43 [ Vulcan speak with forked tongue, Kemo Sabee] >> Also, I don't recall that anyone resolved the fact that Spock (who's >> nature prevents him from lying) lied. > > From what I understand, "The Managerie" was actually a diced up version > of an original pilot episode called "The Cage." In the early days of > "Star Trek", Spock hadn't been that well defined as to how emotionless > he was. These things come with time...how often during the early episodes > did Spock get involved in a fight and you sat there and yelled "Use the > neck pinch!" It hadn't been invented yet, that's why. > > "Fermp?" Peter Merchant Actually, Spock's lies in "The Menagerie" were part of the newly filmed story used to frame "The Cage". BTW: That whole idea about "Vulcans never lie" is utter bunk. Also, Vulcans are NOT "emotionless", they merely have a high degree of control over their minds and bodies and simply choose not to DISPLAY emotion in most situations. Spock is a special case...the pressures placed on him by his dual heritage cause him to overcompensate, thus, he acts "more Vulcan than a Vulcan". It is likely that the "lack of control" displayed by Spock in "The Cage" stems from his years in Starfleet, away from other Vulcans. Perhaps a later (between the original pilot and the time of the regular series) encounter, maybe an embarassing one with Sarek, resulted in the "eminently logical" Spock that is most familiar to the Star Trek fan community at large. There's a lot more to it than that. For a HUGE amount of background information on Vulcan society, read Jean Lorrah's excellent novel "The Vulcan Academy Murders" (Star Trek #20). I found it highly enjoyable for the same reason that I liked "The Final Reflection": lots and lots of new, believable, non-conflicting material for the Star Trek Canon. "I'm a doctor, not a can of industrial-strengh drain cleaner!" .rne. ----- Real World . . Ernie Longmire / 311 Don St. SE / Los Lunas, NM 87031-9405 UUCP . . . . . {{purdue,cmc12,ihnp4}!lanl,ucbvax}!unmvax!unm-cvax!cs2532aa ----- But first...Are You Experienced?