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From: yossi@ahuta.UUCP (j.friedman)
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Subject: Re: "Jewish State" vs. "state for the Jews"
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Date: Tue, 12-Feb-85 17:47:00 EST
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J. Abeles makes a blanket statement that all Orthodox Jews strive to keep
themselves seperate from other Jews.  This is simply not the case.
Many Orthodox mix with their non-Orthodox friends, and "has vehalila!!",
*even* with non-Jews.  The very fact that many participants in discussions in
this medium are Orthodox bears this out.

It is also not true that the Orthodox "discourage [the non religious]
from attempting to become more religious Jews!"  Despite Abeles' remarks
about the Lubavitch, they are very active, together with other
segments of the religious community, in attempting to "bring closer"
the non observant.  While it is true that some groups encourage the
close knit philosophy, there are, at the same time, Yeshivot dedicated
to the philosophy of synthesis (thanx YU) between Torah and Madah
and Derech Eretz.  Abeles (sorry, don't know your first name), you
are not "safe in asserting" that Orthodoxy wants to have nothing
to do with the rest of the Jewish world.

As for involvement in parliamentary affairs, it is only natural, and a
folly to refrain from endeavoring to further your beliefs in a
democratic fashion.  If you don't like the parliamentary setup in
Israel, why don't you try changing it the democratic way.

Abeles seems to be inciting one part of Judaism against the other by
stereotyping certain groups.  Why don't we leave that to others and
try to bring everyone together, not push them far apart.

Joe Friedman
AT&T-IS Lincroft
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