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From: peterb@pbear.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.singles
Subject: Re: Re: Re: mr. insensitive speaks out
Message-ID: <38@pbear.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 5-Feb-85 06:27:29 EST
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Posted: Tue Feb  5 06:27:29 1985
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Nf-From: pbear!peterb    Feb  4 15:39:00 1985

From pucc-h!aeq  aka Jeff Sargent...
>
>>From pbear!peterb:
>
>Well Jeff, I really can't believe that one person
>can be this hung up over love/life/world.  Don't
>try to turn away from the accusation either, you
>are still using the net as a crutch, and an
>expensive 24Karat gold one at that.
>
>>Buttering up the other netters, eh? :-)
>
>What's so wrong with having a crutch?  All of us
>are, to a greater or lesser degree, crippled and
>imperfect and weak, at least sometimes; we all
>need support.  It happens that the net is an
>(almost) always available means of support, as I
>expressed in another article, since it's there
>for me over 20 of the 24 hours.
>

Jeff, Eh, I appologize for fickering on a flame,
but that was written in the height of the "bomb
JS" arguement, and I was a little perturbed to
say the least.  I am not disagreeing that people
need a crutch, but remember what the extent of
the network is, and who it costs. I have to poll
for my news, and thank God that I don't have to
dial long distance. Some of the people on the net
have to pay for the calls since their phone bill
is not sanction by a university/company.

That is what I meant by an expensive crutch.

Also I think that just as people need a crutch,
they also need to experience without. If a person
has had a crutch that is easily available (such
as the net) then that person may choose
unknowingly to use the crutch in cases where it
was not necassary.

>>Jeff, if all love gives you "as far as you can
>>tell" is work and pain, then I think that you are
>>trying to build a relationship that is destined
>>to die.

>I think we stumbled into semantic difficulties
>here over the annoying multiplicity of meanings
>of the word "love".  I am not just referring to
>the love that occurs between Special Ones (SO's,
>the new disabbreviation which I am hoping to see
>become official); that sort of love would
>probably not be all work and pain, since if it
>were the people involved would probably no longer
>be SO's.  I am referring to the sort of love that
>is shown by people like Mother Teresa -- people
>who give far beyond what they receive in this
>life.  That degree, that sort, that depth (if not
>that particular realization) of love is what I am
>still hoping to become capable of; however, at
>this point in my progress, it appears well-nigh
>impossible to be that loving, and the journey to
>that exalted state appears most arduous, inasmuch
>as it will require the sacrifice of all the
>defenses against other humans (and against God
>Himself) which I have built so strongly, probably
>more strongly than the majority.

As for this, All I can say is that you gotta take
it one step at a time. Don't bite more than you
can chew. take your time and pace yourself.

		   Good Luck,
		  Peter Barada
		ima!pbear!peterb

	   "From the ministry of Creativly Crazy Computing..."