Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: $Revision: 1.6.2.13 $; site iuvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!inuxc!iuvax!schwab From: schwab@iuvax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: Re: so long Message-ID: <8700008@iuvax.UUCP> Date: Sun, 5-Aug-84 23:25:00 EDT Article-I.D.: iuvax.8700008 Posted: Sun Aug 5 23:25:00 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 8-Aug-84 19:05:36 EDT References: <3107@decwrl.UUCP> Lines: 33 Nf-ID: #R:decwrl:-310700:iuvax:8700008:000:1723 Nf-From: iuvax!schwab Aug 5 22:25:00 1984 Well, I do hope that this means we will hear no more from Ken in this news group. I have no problem with people raising questions and encouraging discussion if they have an open mind, but Ken, in spite of his constant reiteration of the I'm-trying-to-discuss-things- rationally-but-you-never-respond-logically message, has already decided the issue. I'd be very interested to know what his motives were for such extensive and drawn out contributions. Ken makes one mistake when he talks about gay ideology. There isn't any. If he would read the gay press he would find running battles about paedophilia, pornography, politics, etc. Of course, the main feature of "gay ideology" that he assails is the statement: "I can not help the fact that I'm gay, so I am not responsible for my homosexual acts, so the straight world should get off my back." A lot of gays have made statements very like this. But the entire question was of much more concern several years ago. Unless I am wrong in reading attitudes, it is irrelevant to very many gay people (I'll play it safe and not say most) what the reason(s) for their homosexuality are and whether it is congenital, psychologically acquired at an early age, or a conscious choice. If I can make a personal statement along these lines: I am gay. I don't give a damn about why I am. I wouldn't be any different. Ken's moral concerns are completely irrelevant to me. People like Ken wouldn't be happy unless everyone were Christian, monogamous, and heterosexual. Face it, Ken, the Christian, monogamous heterosexuals are a minority in this country and the world (by deed if not by word), Get off our backs. So long, Ken. Good riddance. David Schwab ...ihpn4!inuxc!iuvax!schwab