Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site randvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!mgnetp!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!sdcrdcf!randvax!edhall From: edhall@randvax.UUCP (Ed Hall) Newsgroups: net.singles,net.women Subject: Re: what the big deal is Message-ID: <1864@randvax.UUCP> Date: Wed, 1-Aug-84 14:49:15 EDT Article-I.D.: randvax.1864 Posted: Wed Aug 1 14:49:15 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 5-Aug-84 01:05:12 EDT References: <2921@decwrl.UUCP>, <1858@randvax.UUCP>, <951@shark.UUCP> Organization: Rand Corp., Santa Monica Lines: 37 ] From: edhall@randvax.UUCP (Ed Hall) ] & ... ] & barrier to equality: the fact that many women are forced to live in ] & fear of male aggression. Just ask any woman who has spent much time ] & ... ] & We, as men, are the only ones who can change this; not just by avoiding ] ] And the women sit back passively, avoiding fearsome things while the big ] strong men in shining armour fix the world?... The above recomendation ] would still lead to a man's world, though it would be nicer to women. ] ...What is called for is BOTH men and women to work together, the only ] reasonable choice. ...Isn't equality (including that of responsibility) ] the main idea? -- Brian Peterson brianp@shark.UUCP I don't think I'm guilty of such awful self-contradiction, Brian. If you have been following my postings (does anyone? :-)) you'd know that I firmly believe that cooperation between the sexes is the only road to equality of the sexes. Your article seems to say that women are equally responsible as men for eliminating male aggression against women. I doubt that you meant that. And if you read my article again, closely, you'll see that my message is simply: ``Men, take responsibility for getting the message across to other men: male aggression against women is *wrong*.'' At no point did I suggest passivity on the part of women. (I *like* assertive women! :-) ) At no point did I say that women should not actively oppose male aggression; they certainly should. But the excesses of the male role must be addressed directly by males. Only after sexist men have cleaned up their acts and treat women with respect can they work with women for equality. -Ed Hall decvax!randvax!edhall P.S. Anyone who takes my last sentence to imply that all men are sexist should be banned to an eternity of net.flames. 1/2 :-)