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Subject: Re: If You've Got the Time...CHAPTER 2 - (nf)
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Date: Thu, 2-Aug-84 21:39:00 EDT
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uiucuxc!tynor    Aug  2 20:39:00 1984

    I'm tired of hearing the creationists ask, "...does water run
uphill?"  Of course it can.  How did the water get to the top of the
hill in the first place?  It probably rained.  All you need to get the
water uphill is some sunlight to vaporize some water, then a sprinkle
on the desired hill and voila,  The water has made its way uphill.

    Nobody promised that *all* of the water would make it up to the top
of the hill. (Some of it rains elsewhere, or reacts with some
chemicals, or remains in the air as moisture, etc.)  Notice that the
laws of Thermodynamics are not broken.   The water and the hill
argument is on the same level as the amino acid probability argument.
They are both based on faulty mechanisms.  The first is that the water
somehow must repeal the laws of gravity to get back up to the top of
the hill. The second is that amino acid X is the only amino acid that
can fulfil its role (not to mention that they ignore chemical bonding and
positional effects which can determine how a molecule reacts and
behaves...)

    Evolution is not a 'self-directed process.'  It does not require any
internal or external intellegent force to direct it.  I think
'un-directed process' is a better term.  

    So there.
	
	Steve Tynor    
	      
	     ihnp4!uiucdcs!uiucuxc!tynor 
             University of Illinois Champaign-Urbana