Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 7/1/84; site rlgvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!mgnetp!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!hao!seismo!rlgvax!plunkett From: plunkett@rlgvax.UUCP (S. Plunkett) Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: Re: Re: Steve Dyer's suggestion re: appalling flames Message-ID: <36@rlgvax.UUCP> Date: Fri, 3-Aug-84 13:00:18 EDT Article-I.D.: rlgvax.36 Posted: Fri Aug 3 13:00:18 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 5-Aug-84 05:34:34 EDT References: <2732@decwrl.UUCP> <2@clkvax.UUCP> <878@bbncca.ARPA> Organization: CCI Office Systems Group, Reston, VA Lines: 47 To gay and somber readers alike: Quoting from some constitutional document as to what is and isn't permissable discussion in this group lacks the necessary authority. What are you going to do if I launch into a speech about scuba diving now? Ignore it most likely, in which case I'll sense I've misposted, and go elsewhere. The so-called ground rules of this group mention it as a forum "for the discussion of gay-related issues of interest to all members of USENET." It then goes on to mention the group is, however, "NOT a newsgroup for the discussion of whether homosexuality is good or bad, natural or unnatural." Now, I would like to suppose this is because such fundamental questions are unanimously solved, for all mankind, for all time (rather like asking if breathing is really necessary in "net.life"); that it goes without saying that the correct answers are bad, unnatural. But no, this is a therapy group designed to coddle the understandable confusions of homosexual people, and not to make matters worse for them by actually allowing a dissenting voice to be heard. If you are going to invite "all members" to "express their opinions, exchange ideas," then you had better expect once in a while, when someone from the outside world stumbles into this den, as I have, to raise some fundamental questions that may unsettle you. A little profanity is to be expected also, because homosexuals, as a rule, are tremendously defensive and petulant, that it is, for the perverse, a little like poking a caged and wild animal. (I do not condone cruelty to animals.) If you want to talk what ever it is sodomites talk about to each other, then there are less public ways of doing so. If you want to educate your so-called "homophobes" then--if any are listening--you had better start explaining, and answering their questions in ways other than throwing a tantrum and replying "go start your own news group." I recommend you stick to simply finding acceptance; don't bother proselytizing. Explain for instance, why I shouldn't worry about the growing public health hazard caused by your bedroom activities, a problem only now becoming apparent; people who always thought gay meant "happy" have died because of blood transfusions from homosexualists. The moral problems loom also, but moralism is confused with opinion these days, so let's just stay with minor issues like life and death. If it is so bloody natural, why are you being gathered to Abraham's bosom? Go for it. -- ..{ihnp4,allegra,seismo}!rlgvax!plunkett