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Subject: Re: Villanova - (nf)
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Date: Fri, 17-Aug-84 17:54:00 EDT
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The problem with the last response is that it only deals with the
schools as undergraduate institutions.  In fact, it only deals with 
how selective they are in taking undergraduates. This sort of measure
tends to make state universities look bad, since, given their state-run
nature, they tend to take more in-state undergraduate students, and can be 
less selective in doing so than private schools.

Now, if we wish to speak about the graduate part of the various instiutuons,
the picture changes.  In engineering, with which I am most familiar, no
one in his right mind would rate, say, Penn ahead of Berekely or
even UCLA.  My pick for the top ten engineering schools (in alphabetical
order) are:
             Berkeley
             Cal Tech
             CMU
             Cornell
             Harvard
             Illinois
             MIT
             Stanford
             UCLA
             Wisconsin
There might be room for slight changes in this list, but I think that it
jibes with most of the surveys I've read.  (I don't have them right on
hand, hence my lack of citations for my list.  If anyone challenges me,
however, I shall plunge into the library and dig out the proper material.)

About Villanova: on a graduate engineering level, it will not make the
top 50 in the country.  I am not certain, but I strongly suspect that this
will also be true in other disciplines.  I don't mean to knock that school,
but there are an whole lot of pretty good schools out there ahead of it.
             
I grew up in the Philadelphia area, and went to St. Joseph's College
for 3 years. I then moved away and have lived in a fair number of other
places since.  From my experience, I can tell you that the opinions
that Philadelphians have about the "Big Five" schools (except Penn, which
is a fine school) are very much inflated.  Thus, don't ask for objective
opinions about Villanova in Philadelphia.

                                 Stanley J. Krolikoski
                                 U. of Illinois at UC
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