Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!hogpc!houxe!drutx!ihnp4!zehntel!dual!amd!decwrl!sunny From: sunny@decwrl.UUCP Newsgroups: net.philosophy,net.sci,net.misc Subject: Re: Mind and Brain Message-ID: <1564@sun.UUCP> Date: Sun, 22-Jul-84 15:59:37 EDT Article-I.D.: sun.1564 Posted: Sun Jul 22 15:59:37 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 28-Jul-84 19:33:56 EDT References: brl-vgr.507 <569@ihuxj.UUCP>, <93@mouton.UUCP>, <1135@rti-sel.UUCP> <3328@brl-tgr.ARPA> <1556@sun.uucp> <885@pyuxn. Lines: 60 Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site houxe.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83 SMI; site sun.uucp Message-ID: <1564@sun.uucp> Date: Sun, 22-Jul-84 15:59:37 EDT UUCP> Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Lines: 51 Greetings: > Is there evidence for PSI that explains something the physical model cannot > account for? Apparently you can show us the aforementioned evidence? No, I can't prove or show you, but if you'll check out the PBS broadcast NOVA on this subject, "they" will show you some fairly convincing evidence. Their program was aired this past week, and may still be running? Also, you might investigate an L.A. based company named Delphi whose business is PSI. Also, you might check with SRI (Stanford Research Institute, now SRI International). Separately, I add the following, which, from previous readings of these net newsgroups, will only result in flames about scientific methodology being lacking, but which I shall nevertheless present as the evidence which *first* convinced *me* of the existence of PSI: 1) I have, on *one* occasion, been the unwitting receiver of an extrasensory message, which clearly demonstrated a mind to mind link. The sender of the message was my spouse's mother, who was experiencing the death of her husband and was so distressed that she woke me from a sound sleep with her mental "primal scream" of distress, some 30 miles away. 2 minutes later she followed up with a phone call explaining that her husband was having a heart-attack, and would we come right over to be with her. 2) I have lived with a(nother) mate who was not only extrasensorily sensitive to what I was doing and where I was, but who on a couple occasions experienced precognition (awareness of future events). I shall not bother to provide details of these events, precisely because they were unrepeatable, and not subject to investigation by scientific method. Note also, that they all occurred with people who were close enough to me already, as to be considered "family" at the time. Note also that I used to be a *firm* unbeliever until item (1) above occurred to me. I thoroughly believe in the scientific method, and as a degreed engineer have been trained to apply same to my entire approach to life. Only personal experiences of PSI were able to convince me that the scientific method simply won't find most PSI occurrances. Why? because in most earthlings, PSI is too undeveloped an I/O channel to be repeatable, or produced on demand in a laboratory setting. Furthermore, I think that if you were to bother to do any serious investigation of PSI phenomena which were verifiable and truly impressive, you'd find them to be classified. The DOD has PSychIcs working for them, and they are truly running scared because the USSR is ahead of us in PSI research, and in PSI-war. There certainly is a parallel to cyphers: at several prominant technical conferences where scientific researchers intended to present advanced papers on cryptography, Uncle Sam stepped in, said, sorry, but that's classified, speak no further of this to the public, lest it fall into Russian hands. I shall shut up now, before the men in the trenchcoats come to silence me. Again, just because YOU haven't experienced it, and just becasue YOU can't produce it in YOUR laboratory, doesn't mean that others haven't. {ucbvax|decvax|ihnp4}!sun!sunny(Sunny Kirsten of Sun Microsystems)