Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site oliven.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!houxz!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!oliveb!olivee!oliven!rap From: rap@oliven.UUCP Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: more on atheism Message-ID: <314@oliven.UUCP> Date: Tue, 31-Jul-84 00:53:15 EDT Article-I.D.: oliven.314 Posted: Tue Jul 31 00:53:15 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 28-Jul-84 20:46:52 EDT References: <359@kpnoa.UUCP> <297@edison.UUCP> <901@pyuxn.UUCP> Organization: Olivetti ATC, Cupertino, Ca Lines: 24 . >> The thing to remember is that both psychic phenomena and religious experience >> are subjective, and therefore belief and disbelief make a definite difference. >> Since this type of thing doesn't fit very well with scientific provability, >> it is easy to ridicule, but it makes sense psychologically. There is plenty >> of evidence with weight-lifting and other physical activity that if you don't >> believe that you can do something, you have less chance of doing it. Why >> shouldn't this apply even more for something that is totally subjective? > >And what this passage from John Owens indicates is that, as many have been >trying to say, the power of belief is very strong, and DOES have a positive >effect on the believer. And for you Christian people, a quote from Matthew 17:20 ... I tell you the truth, If you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible to you. See also, Matthew 21:21 and 21:22. -- Robert A. Pease {hplabs|zehntel|fortune|ios|tolerant|allegra|tymix}!oliveb!oliven!rap