Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: $Revision: 1.6.2.14 $; site uiucdcs.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!stank From: stank@uiucdcs.UUCP Newsgroups: net.college Subject: Re: Villanova - (nf) Message-ID: <32400004@uiucdcs.UUCP> Date: Fri, 17-Aug-84 17:54:00 EDT Article-I.D.: uiucdcs.32400004 Posted: Fri Aug 17 17:54:00 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 19-Aug-84 02:20:14 EDT References: <1642@burdvax.UUCP> Lines: 47 Nf-ID: #R:burdvax:-164200:uiucdcs:32400004:000:2090 Nf-From: uiucdcs!stank Aug 17 16:54:00 1984 #R:burdvax:-164200:uiucdcs:32400004:000:2090 uiucdcs!stank Aug 17 16:54:00 1984 <> The problem with the last response is that it only deals with the schools as undergraduate institutions. In fact, it only deals with how selective they are in taking undergraduates. This sort of measure tends to make state universities look bad, since, given their state-run nature, they tend to take more in-state undergraduate students, and can be less selective in doing so than private schools. Now, if we wish to speak about the graduate part of the various instiutuons, the picture changes. In engineering, with which I am most familiar, no one in his right mind would rate, say, Penn ahead of Berekely or even UCLA. My pick for the top ten engineering schools (in alphabetical order) are: Berkeley Cal Tech CMU Cornell Harvard Illinois MIT Stanford UCLA Wisconsin There might be room for slight changes in this list, but I think that it jibes with most of the surveys I've read. (I don't have them right on hand, hence my lack of citations for my list. If anyone challenges me, however, I shall plunge into the library and dig out the proper material.) About Villanova: on a graduate engineering level, it will not make the top 50 in the country. I am not certain, but I strongly suspect that this will also be true in other disciplines. I don't mean to knock that school, but there are an whole lot of pretty good schools out there ahead of it. I grew up in the Philadelphia area, and went to St. Joseph's College for 3 years. I then moved away and have lived in a fair number of other places since. From my experience, I can tell you that the opinions that Philadelphians have about the "Big Five" schools (except Penn, which is a fine school) are very much inflated. Thus, don't ask for objective opinions about Villanova in Philadelphia. Stanley J. Krolikoski U. of Illinois at UC ..!pur-ee!uiucdcs!stank