Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site cbscc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!cbosgd!cbscc!pmd From: pmd@cbscc.UUCP (Paul Dubuc) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Re: Absurdity Revisited ... Message-ID: <3426@cbscc.UUCP> Date: Mon, 13-Aug-84 15:04:31 EDT Article-I.D.: cbscc.3426 Posted: Mon Aug 13 15:04:31 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 14-Aug-84 02:51:21 EDT References: <295@ihu1e.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus Lines: 52 [from Jerry Nowlin:] >Ken, > You're right about the scripture. The New testament Matthew 7:6, in the >last chapter of the sermon on the mount, quotes Jesus as saying "Give not that >which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest >they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." I understand >analogy. I don't think you were calling anyone a pig. > > The interesting part of this quote is that the beginning 5 verses of >Matthew chapter 7 are all about not judging others. Right afterwards Jesus >apparently expects us to make some kind of judgement on who is worthy to >receive "that which is holy" and who isn't. I hear lots of complaints about >taking sections of the bible out of context and making points with them. I >know people who could make it sound like Jesus advocated prostitution with >just the right verses. You were the one that pointed out this passage of >scripture. I pointed out the contradiction. Do you really think Jesus was teaching abstainance from all value judgements in Matt. 7.1-5? Rather, those verses seem to be a proscription against hypocritical judgements of the actions or moral tenor of one's "brother". Besides that I really wonder whether obedience to verse 6 really requires "judging someone unworthy", rather than just an observation. Swine make it plain that they don't value pearls. Some people make it plain that they don't value Christian truth. (On an aesthetic basis, of course. Give a pig what satisfies his belly and he'll probably love you. In the same way, some people only want what satisfies their own desires and don't want to be convinced of the value of other things). Ken seemed to think that the man he originally responded to fell into this category. I disagree. I think that man was asking an honest question, one that deserved a better answer than Ken gave. >I just get a >little bent when someone says there's not enough room on the water for both >our craft. (See I do understand analogy.) I think we can all agree that there's plenty of room on the water. The only question in some people's minds is where are we going to go when somebody pulls the plug. :-) >If half the people I know who think >they're going to heaven make it, I would be lots happier in hell. I think it's save to say that not all who think they're going to heaven, will... and not all who think they'll be happier in hell, will. We won't *really* know until we get there. -- Paul Dubuc {cbosgd,ihnp4}!cbscc!pmd The true light that enlightens every one was coming into the world... (John 1:9)