Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site rabbit.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!alice!rabbit!hania From: hania@rabbit.UUCP (Hania Gajewska) Newsgroups: net.pets Subject: Re: Wanted: Obedience Training Information Message-ID: <3082@rabbit.UUCP> Date: Wed, 22-Aug-84 13:37:36 EDT Article-I.D.: rabbit.3082 Posted: Wed Aug 22 13:37:36 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 23-Aug-84 01:30:46 EDT References: <188@hw3b.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 68 The AKC dealt with you in its usual stuck up way, and they were incorrect, or at least didn't give you the whole story. Here are some hints: What you want is to find a dog club which offers obedience classes. Although such clubs are usually AKC sanctioned, their obedience classes are open to ALL dogs, regardless of papers or lineage. The classes are run in a group situation, with an instuctor in the center, and the dogs, with their owners, around in a circle. In a beginners class, which is what you want, you will teach your dog to heel, sit, lie down, stay, come, and stand for examination by a stranger. How well you and your dog learn these commands depends, of course, on how much you practice; the suggested time is usually two fifteen minute sessions per day. Classes usually meet once a week. Past the beginners' class, there is usually pre-novice, then novice. These two classes don't teach any additional skills; rather, they polish the skills learned in beginners. (Many people who do well in beginners skip the pre-novice class). By the end of the novice class, your dog should be able to do all the above (including heeling) off the leash. Past the novice class, there are other classes (open and utility) wich teach harder skills: jumping, scent discrimination, retrieving. Although the ultimate aim of all these classes is obedience competition, the introductory classes taught by most clubs are aimed at pet owners who want a well-behaved companion. Many of these pet owners "catch the bug" (obedience is fun for both dog and owner!) and later go on to exhibit their dogs in obedience competition. AKC sanctioned shows do not allow mixed-breed dogs in obedience (personally I think this is grossly unfair, and should be changed); however, they do have provisions for dogs such as yours, who are apparently pure-bred, but with no papers. If you, too, find yourself loving obedience, you can get your dogs "listed" with the AKC as a Newf; this would give you the right to compete in their stuck-up obedience shows (unfortunately they have a virtual monopoly on the game). But I digress... I know of quite a few people who have had their dogs "professionally" trained by other people -- I don't knoow of a single case where this has worked out. The most important part of the training is to have the dog tune in to you, and to improve the communication between you and the dog (all dogs know how to sit or lie down -- the key is to have your dog do it when you want him to do it). If you have a stranger train the dog, the dog might learn to respond to the trainer, and might even listen to you a bit, but never as well. So I really strongly recommend an obedience club. My second choice would be classes run in the manner described above by private individuals who are obedience trainers and exhibitors themselves. The only difference between these and the club-run classes is who gets the money -- the club or the individual. Also, in my experience, the club-run classes have been of slightly higher quality. (I am biased -- I have taught some). Some community education programs run by towns around here have such classes; those, too are equivalent. In all of these, whether they are good or bad depends on the instructor; if you are unlucky -- try another one. Just stay away form the professional trainers who advertise in the yellow pages that they can do it for you. You can expect to pay between $35 and $60 for a series of eight classes. ("Professional trainers" charge hundreds, sometimes thousands, of dollars). I think you would really like these classes -- judging from your posting. Now, how to find one. Sigh. I would call up the AKC (I know, I know...) and ask them again -- don't mention the papers. Or just ask them for an all-breed club in your area -- those often have obedience classes. If you find it distasteful to deal with them (I wouldn't blame you, after your first contact) -- send me mail or call me, and I will do some snooping for you. Hania Gajewska allegra!research!hania (201) 582-3720