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From: eugenez@azure.UUCP (Eugene Zinter)
Newsgroups: net.veg
Subject: Living Foods
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Date: Mon, 6-Aug-84 12:59:21 EDT
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Posted: Mon Aug  6 12:59:21 1984
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Question:

     >> What foods are
     >> there to eat which are not killed plants or animals?  

Answer:

Two foods that would qualify would be Fruits and Nuts.  You don't
kill a tree to harvest its fruits or nuts.  And for those who
eat dairy products, milk is another such food.

My reason for eating a vegetarian diet has nothing to do with the
immoral killing of animals.  It has to do with the fact that human
physiology is not that of a carnivore.  Those who believe
differently may wish to prove their viewpoint with hard facts as
I love such discussions.

My reason for eating a vegetarian diet is simply to have a higher
quality life.  One much more free of disease and hardship.  And, I
admit, I do get a certain satisfaction knowing my diet is based on
live foods, rather than dead things.

And it was interesting that someone (Bod Lenk) mentioned fruitaranism
because I am going to try this out (I have researched the nutritional
aspect already).  For at least 30 days.  But I must first locate some
information from a Medical Library near hear.  If anyone is interested
in the results, please write.

Some tidbits for those who would like to give a good answer to the question:

	"WHEREEEEEEEEE do you get your PROTEINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN???????"

     [Said with a high pitched voice and WILD eyes---expressing extreme 
      disbelief indicating you are a fanatical nazi-type person.]

	1)  Human Mothers milk is less than 2% protein.  And is supplying
	    protein to a HUMAN at a time of incredible growth.

	2)  Too much protein is also a problem with Americans (not just
 	    too many calories).  The September 9, 1982 issue of the New
	    England Journal of Medicine reports the researches of Drs.
	    Barry M. Brenner, Timothy W. Meyer, and Thomas H. Hostetter.
	      The conclusion is protein intake exceeding needs must be
	    eliminated by the kidneys.  The kidneys are stressed and gradually
            develop lesions and hardening.  Eliminative (degeneration) becomes
 	    progressively more pronounced.  Renal function declined and
	    diseases of the kidney ensued.
	      This report shows humans have poor capacity for eliminating
	    proteins in excess of needs.  Much kidney disease results on the
	    high protein diet normal to most Americans.

	      Since the kidneys excrete waste products of metabolism,
	    it pays to keep them in excellent shape.   They have far
	    reaching effects if they degenerate.  Ask anyone on a kidney
	    machine.  I wouldn't be surprised if most of the things we
	    associate with AGING is due to the kidneys slowly degenerating.

	3)  The average American only needs about 25 to 40 grams/day of
	    high quality protein (RAW).  In fact, Humans require less 
	    than 20 grams/day of the essential amino acids.  
	      Why RAW?  Because cooking protein strengthens the amino acid 
	    bonds so when your stomach tries to break down protein (digestion) 
	    into simple amino acids, it is a much harder task.  
              Muscle and Fitness magazine came out with a number for this.  
	    Your body can only utilize about 20% of the protein you ingest 
	    if you COOK it.  So if you think you are getting 60 grams of 
	    high quality COOKED protein, even if you are very careful in 
	    your diet, you are only getting about 12 grams of usable protein.  
	    And also what stress is caused on the body to rid itself of the 
	    48 grams of unusable protein? Think about it.  And think of 
	    those who ingest between 100 to 200 grams of cooked protein 
	    (heavy eaters, protein supplements, etc.)? Amazing!!  The body 
	    is truly remarkable to survive such mistreatment for so many years.
	   

Anyway, if anyone is interested in sources for all this, I will write another
letter to the net about all this, only with more exact information.

							ECZ