Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site proper.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!houxm!houxz!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!nsc!proper!gam From: gam@proper.UUCP (Gordon Moffett) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: No mirror, no dust Message-ID: <1519@proper.UUCP> Date: Sun, 19-Aug-84 14:50:11 EDT Article-I.D.: proper.1519 Posted: Sun Aug 19 14:50:11 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 22-Aug-84 01:00:29 EDT References: <1471@proper.UUCP>, <529@denelcor.UUCP> Organization: Proper UNIX, Oakland, CA Lines: 31 From: neal@denelcor.UUCP (Neal Weidenhofer) Organization: Denelcor, Aurora, CO >>That is correct. Saying, "I see red", is a verbal behavior, typically >>associated with the speaker observing the color red in their visual >>field, or metaphorically describing a state of anger. Other associations >>occur but are rare. (And, still, there is no need for a `mind' here, >>either). >> >>Gordon A. Moffett > > In the absence of a 'mind', what do "observing" and "state of >anger" mean? Ah, very good, you're getting the hang of this too, I see. "State of anger" is easier so I'll start with that: it is a physical state which one is culturalized to sense as emotion, which is called anger. (In behaviorist philosophy, the physical state PRECEEDS the emotion, and emotions are considered mentalist phenomena). "Observing" is clearly a subjective description and I shouldn't have used it; better to say, "presented with the stimulus of." (By the way, I also say "sunrise" and "moonrise" even though I know better). -- Gordon A. Moffett { hplabs!nsc, decvax!sun!amd, ihnp4!dual } !proper!gam