Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 Apollo 8/9/84; site apollo.uucp Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!wivax!apollo!rees From: rees@apollo.UUCP Newsgroups: net.news.adm Subject: Re: Interfacing netnews and mail softwar Message-ID: <214a3d41.1de6@apollo.uucp> Date: Tue, 21-Aug-84 09:43:09 EDT Article-I.D.: apollo.214a3d41.1de6 Posted: Tue Aug 21 09:43:09 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 23-Aug-84 03:42:19 EDT References: <575@ucla-cs.UUCP> <50300002@convex.UUCP> Organization: Apollo Computer, Chelmsford, Mass. Lines: 56 [ notesfiles] ... Check it out -- you might find that you like it. If you are a user, that may be true, but if you are the administrator of a usenet site you may not be as pleased with it. Notesfiles sites have been flooding the net for years with articles that don't adhere to the usenet specs [1]. I'll take Rob's article as an example. Here is the header as I received it: Relay-Version: version B 2.10 Apollo 7/31/84; site apollo.uucp Posting-Version: Notesfiles; site convex.UUCP Path: apollo!wivax!decvax!genrad!grkermit!masscomp!bonnie!clyde!burl!ulysses!cbosgd!mhuxl!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!convex!kolstad From: kolstad@convex.UUCP Newsgroups: net.news.adm Subject: Re: Interfacing netnews and mail softwar Message-ID: <50300002@convex.UUCP> Date: Tue, 14-Aug-84 11:25:00 EDT Date-Received: Tue, 21-Aug-84 01:19:28 EDT References: <575@ucla-cs.UUCP> Lines: 31 Nf-ID: #R:ucla-cs:-57500:convex:50300002:000:1565 Nf-From: convex!kolstad Aug 14 10:25:00 1984 #R:ucla-cs:-57500:convex:50300002:000:1565 convex!kolstad Aug 14 10:25:00 1984 The "Posting-Version" line is wrong. See [1]. Note the "Subject" line. What, exactly, is "softwar"? A new video game? No, it's all that is left after a notesfile site truncates the subject to 40 characters. If my news system hadn't stripped it off, there would also be a " - (nf)" appended to the subject line. The first two lines of the article are garbage. They belong in the header. In fact, they do appear in the header too. Why repeat them? I see that at least the "References" line is right. They are usually wrong or completely missing in notesfiles articles. Out of all these people who think notes is great, I know of only one who has taken the time to make it conform to standards before unleashing articles on the net. If you want to run notes, you should ask him where to get the latest version that conforms to standards. He is: Tw Cook - HP Portable Computer Div, Corvallis OR - hp-pcd!tw By the way, I think that Ray Essick has done a great job writing notesfiles. My quibble is with all those people who say it's great but can't be bothered making it conform. References: [1] "Standard for Interchange of USENET Messages", Mark R. Horton - Jim Rees