Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-athena.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!unc!mcnc!decvax!mit-athena!martillo From: martillo@mit-athena.ARPA (Joaquim Martillo) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Who is a Jew Message-ID: <240@mit-athena.ARPA> Date: Fri, 10-Aug-84 01:43:58 EDT Article-I.D.: mit-athe.240 Posted: Fri Aug 10 01:43:58 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 11-Aug-84 01:06:03 EDT References: <1438@ittvax.UUCP>, <223@fisher.UUCP> <225@mit-athena.ARPA>, <253@fisher.UUCP> Organization: MIT, Project Athena, Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 18 Read the damn article! You specifically state: An American Jew, for example, is very concerned with the fate and status of a Jew in, say, the Soviet Union, but still has more in common with his Gentile neighbor or even with a Baptist from West Texas. By definition you are not 'oheb Yisrael if you believe this. Talk about arrogance. Its pure hutspah to suggest that either a 'adish Yisrael or sone' Yisrael has a right to input about the organization of the community even if he does happen to be accidentally Jewish (I did not invent the concept; I believe Cynthia Ozick did but she used the term non-Jewish Jews). This touches one of my main gripes against Ashkenazim. For almost all Sefardim when they hear or read about the sufferings of Ashkenazim, it is like it happened to their own families. When we tell the Ashkenazim about our sufferings, for most Ashkenazim we could have been Martians for all they seem to care.