Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP
Posting-Version: Notesfiles; site ea.UUCP
Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!ea!mwm
From: mwm@ea.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.philosophy
Subject: Re: Were not drifting; were being tugged - (nf)
Message-ID: <9800020@ea.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 2-Aug-84 16:35:00 EDT
Article-I.D.: ea.9800020
Posted: Thu Aug  2 16:35:00 1984
Date-Received: Sat, 4-Aug-84 23:45:50 EDT
References: <366@hogpd.UUCP>
Lines: 30
Nf-ID: #R:hogpd:-36600:ea:9800020:000:1245
Nf-From: ea!mwm    Aug  2 15:35:00 1984

#R:hogpd:-36600:ea:9800020:000:1245
ea!mwm    Aug  2 15:35:00 1984

/***** ea:net.philosophy / ism780b!jim / 12:25 am  Jul 31, 1984 */
> I would like to live in a society in which caring about the old and disabled
> was more honorable and desirable than increasing the yearly profit of your
> employer.
> 
> I only want to work toward a society which does not, through its values
> and mores, encourage people to become that way.
 
Seems to me that you're blaming society for a problem that people have. You
can try and force society to be the way you want it to by threatening to
throw people in jail, or execute them, for misbehaving. It won't make the
people any better, and will (I think) make society worse in the long run.

> Then say something about the world you want.  I look around me and see a
> world full of hate, alienation, destruction, pollution, crime, suffering,
> and misery.  It seems to me that your philosophy is a major contributor
> to the nature of that world.
>
> -- Jim Balter (ima!jim)
/* ---------- */

I want a world where people are as free as possible to do what they want,
as opposed to what others want them to do. This doesn't contribute to
hate, alienation, etc, does it? Or do you really think that if everybody
did exactly what you told them, we'd all be better off?