Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ut-ngp.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!zehntel!hplabs!hao!seismo!ut-sally!ut-ngp!anthro From: anthro@ut-ngp.UUCP (Michael Fischer) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: two of Kulawiec's Message-ID: <847@ut-ngp.UUCP> Date: Thu, 23-Aug-84 00:53:46 EDT Article-I.D.: ut-ngp.847 Posted: Thu Aug 23 00:53:46 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 19-Aug-84 03:47:42 EDT References: <45700017@convex.UUCP>, <937@pucc-h>, <936@pucc-h>, <940@pucc-h> Organization: Comp. Center, Univ. of Texas at Austin Lines: 28 :: I am not a serious advocate of the "how come..." theory, but will point out that little of the suffering of man has anything to do with man (though I agree that any is too much). Far more people have died of disease, hunger, accidents, etc. than any people inflicted harm. Ditto for pain. Until this century, a perfectably acceptable life span was 50 years in the "civilized" world (true today for the third world), and throughout most of human existance, 30 to 40 years was very reasonable/typical. Until this century infant mortality ranged from 30 to 50 percent and up (also true today in the third world). Free will has little to do with these deaths, and if they are to provide do-gooders something to do, they should get doing, because they are not keeping their part up. I would like to add an unrelated (I think) note. I think that the recent stand that was made by the R. admin. on population control is unfortuate, and deserves the support on no one in our country. It is not reasonable for us to sit here in our relatively deserted country putting stumbling blocks before people who are, or will be in the near future, struggling for their very existance. To relate this unrelated note: where is the free will when we try to run their show. It is not just a simple case of "donations", but can spread to policy because we also control the debts of these countries. It would be wise to be cautious in our application of power from these debts, lest we suffer the same fate in the future when our foreign debt is sufficent to allow others to control us. Michael Fischer anthro@utngp