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From: gmm@bunker.UUCP (Gregory M. Mandas)
Newsgroups: net.flame
Subject: RE: Rsk on guns and hunters.
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Date: Fri, 10-Aug-84 09:26:45 EDT
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Posted: Fri Aug 10 09:26:45 1984
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[I would have been back sooner, but system problems you know.]

> Subject: Re: Rsk on guns and hunters
> Newsgroups: net.flame
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> 	Yes, Greg, but what is the point?
> -- 
> ---Rsk
> 
Funny, all of the people who resonded privately understood my point.

In your original posting you said, "No great loss" when refering to hunters
not being allowed to have guns if guns were banned. My point is that it
would be a great loss. 

I am not saying hunters are totally selfless in their acts. They create game
lands and clean up rivers so they can use their guns and fishing rods for
their sport. What the non-hunters do not understand is that these acts benefit 
everybody. The non-hunter, water-skier likes clean water to fall in, the 
endangered species live in the habitat created by hunters, so on and so on 
and so on.

Other related points of interest:

On guns and sports, there are several days worth of shooting events 
in the Winter and Summer Olympics. 

The best defense against most gun control arguments was the incident that  
happened a few days after the Micky D's Shooting. A guy ran his car up  
on the sidewalk and ran people over for much the same reason. 

(I am going to be carefull here, this could be considered a personal attack.
It is not.)

Looking at the objects used for a specific purpose, as you have done, would
lead to the solution of banning cars, just as banning guns. "Why not, mass
transit could do just as good as private ownership of cars."

To keep the analogy going, "Why not, the police could do just as good as
private ownership of guns." 

I live in a congested area and last week a drunk drove his car into my
neighbors's parked car. He ran for it (actually staggered for it) and three
of us followed him (without weapons) until the police came, 30 MINUTES LATER. 
What would have happened if I confronted someone in my livingroom late one 
night with that kind of police response time? "Excuse me sir, could you wait 
while the police decide to come?" Or, "Let's fight it out with knives, big 
fella."

I am not advocating a wild west society. I am just trying to explain the
facts to people who let fly with blanket statements, "Not great loss", 
before they know both sides of the story.

Greg Mandas
ittvax!bunker!gmm