Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles; site uiucuxc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uiucuxc!tynor From: tynor@uiucuxc.UUCP Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: If You've Got the Time...CHAPTER 2 - (nf) Message-ID: <38800004@uiucuxc.UUCP> Date: Thu, 2-Aug-84 21:39:00 EDT Article-I.D.: uiucuxc.38800004 Posted: Thu Aug 2 21:39:00 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 4-Aug-84 02:13:38 EDT References: <904@akgua.UUCP> Lines: 31 Nf-ID: #R:akgua:-90400:uiucuxc:38800004:000:1351 Nf-From: uiucuxc!tynor Aug 2 20:39:00 1984 #R:akgua:-90400:uiucuxc:38800004:000:1351 uiucuxc!tynor Aug 2 20:39:00 1984 I'm tired of hearing the creationists ask, "...does water run uphill?" Of course it can. How did the water get to the top of the hill in the first place? It probably rained. All you need to get the water uphill is some sunlight to vaporize some water, then a sprinkle on the desired hill and voila, The water has made its way uphill. Nobody promised that *all* of the water would make it up to the top of the hill. (Some of it rains elsewhere, or reacts with some chemicals, or remains in the air as moisture, etc.) Notice that the laws of Thermodynamics are not broken. The water and the hill argument is on the same level as the amino acid probability argument. They are both based on faulty mechanisms. The first is that the water somehow must repeal the laws of gravity to get back up to the top of the hill. The second is that amino acid X is the only amino acid that can fulfil its role (not to mention that they ignore chemical bonding and positional effects which can determine how a molecule reacts and behaves...) Evolution is not a 'self-directed process.' It does not require any internal or external intellegent force to direct it. I think 'un-directed process' is a better term. So there. Steve Tynor ihnp4!uiucdcs!uiucuxc!tynor University of Illinois Champaign-Urbana