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From: hutch@shark.UUCP (Stephen Hutchison)
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Subject: Re: American sportscasting : followup.
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Date: Tue, 14-Aug-84 04:43:15 EDT
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Posted: Tue Aug 14 04:43:15 1984
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< ah luuuhves flames, they makes mah marshmallers nice n toasty >

| "...You may not realize it, but this sense
| of national identity and pride which you detest is a common part of
| the human being and can be found in people from all countries.
| ...
| Hutch"
| 
| Uh, not to jump into this too deeply...but please.  Nationalism is a
| product of the 17th century.  Previous to that, loyalty tended to be to
| your King; before that, increasingly smaller units of geography and/or
| influence.  (It's been suggested that the multinationals are the next
| step in ever-increasing spheres of influence and commitment).
| 
| Dave Ihnat ihuxx!ignatz

Really?  There was no Athens, no Sparta, no Carthage, no Rome, no Egypt
under the Pharoahs, no Israel, no China, before the 17th century?  ;-)

Nationalism is a result of having nations.  People will have loyalty to
a family, which at the proper age seems to transfer or extend to a
tribe or clan, thence (sometimes) to the identifiable "country" or
"king" under whatever system is in place.

Hutch  (go ducks!)  <- loyalty to alma mater == school patriotism