Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: notesfiles Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!tektronix!hplabs!hp-pcd!hp-dcd!hpfcls!rml From: rml@hpfcls.UUCP (rml) Newsgroups: net.veg Subject: Re: Re: Moral Dillema (sic) Message-ID: <132100003@hpfcls.UUCP> Date: Wed, 15-Aug-84 19:34:00 EDT Article-I.D.: hpfcls.132100003 Posted: Wed Aug 15 19:34:00 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 10-Aug-84 08:08:36 EDT References: <2909@decwrl.UUCP> Organization: Hewlett-Packard - Fort Collins, CO Lines: 20 Nf-ID: #R:decwrl:-290900:hpfcls:132100003:000:1099 Nf-From: hpfcls!rml Aug 6 15:34:00 1984 > There are many foods which are by-products of animals/plants, > that involve no killing to harvest/process/consume. One of these > foods is johns's unfertilized eggs (also apples, milk, walnuts, > cheese). Eating a walnut (or any other form of seed) is the vegetable kingdom analogue of eating a fertile egg, which is how this whole discussion began. As for dairy products, there is no direct killing involved. Taking the milk from a mother can be construed as stealing food from the offspring, but with modern breeds of dairy animals which have been bred to produce more milk than their own offspring can consume this is not an accurate picture of the situation. Since my dietary concerns are more related to health and to harmony with nature than to morality, I personally would not choose foods produced by human intervention (selective breeding or separation of sexes) in order to avoid violence. That is why I previously mentioned fruits as what I consider to be the only totally non-violent foods (assuming the seeds are not damaged). Bob Lenk {hplabs, ihnp4}!hpfcla!rml