Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site gatech.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!floyd!clyde!akgua!gatech!spaf From: spaf@gatech.UUCP (Gene Spafford) Newsgroups: net.suicide Subject: Re: Why? - Because we love you! Message-ID: <3669@gatech.UUCP> Date: Tue, 31-Jan-84 23:12:31 EST Article-I.D.: gatech.3669 Posted: Tue Jan 31 23:12:31 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 3-Feb-84 02:35:52 EST References: <4599@rochester.UUCP> Organization: Georgia Tech School of ICS, Atlanta Lines: 101 I have been gently upbraided for my somewhat flippant reply to Rick a few days ago. I felt his question was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, and I intended my answer to be the same. Let me give a more serious reply. I went over some of this material about a year ago when I was in a darker mood, but the present discussion seems to be by new people who may not have seen my comments. Let me start this by saying that I have served as a counselor at college, and that I have worked in a hospital emergency room and on an ambulance. I have seen depression. I have seen rage. I have seen despair and suicide and death. It hurt me each time I saw someone who tried to kill themself. One Mother's Day, I saw three attempted suicides, including one talented and beautiful 16 year old girl who swallowed 300 aspirin -- she thought she *might* be pregnant and she couldn't bear the thought of facing her parents. It took 4 of us to hold her down so her stomach could be pumped. That shook me so much that I walked out of the ER and never returned. Suicide is an escape. It is an escape from consequences. Someone decides to kill themself when they feel they have no control over their life, when they feel they cannot face whatever fate has in store for them. Sometimes the potential suicide simply cannot face some person(s) about something, and sometimes it is impossible to face the painful/dreary/lonely landscape of their lives. Whatever the cause, the person has lost the will and resources to cope with it and so they seek escape. Botched suicides are cries for help. They signal that the person involved feels they have lost control and they need someone outside to help set their lives aright. That is one reason why (in our society) men have a much higher successful suicide rate than women -- it is ingrained in the modern American male not to need help with his life and so he doesn't cry out for help. Besides, a male ego suffering from feelings of inadequacy certainly does not want to fail in this last, final act. Okay, so why do we want to prevent suicides? Well, I would do it for the same reasons I would attempt to aid any injured or sick person. There is a feeling of shared humanity there, a feeling that each life is worth something which I cannot quantify nor can I judge its worth. Someone attempting to kill themself needs comfort and help in straightening out their lives. Maybe just caring is enough, but often that just adds another burden to their already too-heavy load. That doesn't address how you justify it to the person involved, however. First off, you can't really convince someone who is that depressed that no problem is insurmountable, or that time will resolve almost any human pain. All that you can say is that suicide is senseless. It does not make sense to poke out one's eyes if one sees a bleak landscape, nor does it make sense to blot out one's life if the current situation is painful. It is often the most creative and most visionary people who despair of life. They dream and they feel, and life is often other than they might wish. They need experience to see that all things pass. No matter how bad you think it is, something good probably comes later. Yet, "all that might be" becomes, in a few moments, "all that might have been" because the principle involved terminates herself/himself. What a tragedy and loss to us all! Every person matters, just as every part of the beach is touched by the ripples of any pebble dropped into the water. It is only when you give up that you have ever truly lost. It is our nature to fight every last inch of the way -- not because we fear death, but because something inside of us recognizes our life as special. It is an illness to wish to cease the fight because the outlook is bleak. What advantage is there to be gained? And who can be so sure that what follows life is a better plain on which to stand? Often have I been sad and despaired of things improving. I was wrong. If I could take a little of the joy I felt when things became better and send it back in time to myself, how much happier (and impatient!) I would have been! The best I can hope to say to someone toying with their demise is "believe me." Believe me when I say that hope exists for things to get better. Believe me when I say that there are others out there who will help you shoulder your burdens, or at least help you build stronger shoulders. Believe me when I say that there are people who will care about you and treasure you, but only if you live long enough to meet them. And believe me when I say that there will be times when you will look back at your current feelings with a sense of disbelief. Often the greatest courage is simply to face another day, to face the trial yet again. That is sometimes tough, but it is something of which one can be proud -- to have faced life and not run away. To succeed you need to get up just one more time than you're knocked down. It may be slow, and it may not be easy, but it can be done. Maybe this all sounds dumb or preachy, but I know of no better way to present it right now. I cannot agree with someone that yes, their life would be better terminated. And I refuse to be uncaring. I can only believe that each life is unique and full of the wonderful potential that life brings. Maybe I cannot convince a potential suicide of that, but I can at least dare them to stick around and let time prove one of us wrong. What can possibly be lost with such a choice? -- Off the Wall of Gene Spafford The Clouds Project, School of ICS, Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332 CSNet: Spaf @ GATech ARPA: Spaf.GATech @ CSNet-Relay uucp: ...!{akgua,allegra,rlgvax,sb1,unmvax,ulysses,ut-sally}!gatech!spaf