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Subject: Re: jj's Re: Thoughts on subjectivity and specifications
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Date: Wed, 1-Feb-84 14:45:12 EST
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Well, Phil, you aren't quite listening...

I do think subjectivity has a place in the audio market.
I also have managed, over the years, to be able to spot
the "differences" while listening and then, from what I've heard,
find out WHAT THEY WERE.  (It's nice to be able to establish
a correlation between subjective and objective measures
once in a while! Not too easy, either!)

I've heard a lot of crap on CD's that is clearly, distinctly,
etc, the results of GAWDAWFUL MIKING TECHNIQUES.  I've also
heard a couple of the worst mixes known to mankind. I don't
blame EITHER of these on the digital technology, and I don't 
think the disc is inferior to other forms of digital recording,
especially since it's BLOODY WELL IDENTICAL.  You hear me?
IDENTICAL.  There are, naturally, a few bad implementations.
These bad implementations do not predominate, however , in fact
they are barely in the market.

A lot of what you've been arguing just doesn't stand up from
the end of digital analysis/theory/practice/experience, in which
I currently earn my living.  Some of the results you've been
hearing certainly exist, but they almost uniformly don't have
anything to do with digital audio.  A few may, but it' hard
to sift through everything.  

I also have an interesting test for you:
	Take a digital signal.  Take a pair of UNCONNECTED
pink noise generators, and add a bit of pink noise about
75dB down to the digital signal.  Presto!  Ambience!
  It's embarressed a LOT of people!

Digital does indeed sound different sometimes.  It's not
always WRONG, though.  Just remember that one 
have learned to tolerate certain changes in sound
from the disc process, and that they now sound "normal"
to one's self.  Perhaps you might give youself a chance to
acclimitize a bit more, including, perhaps, a change in the
system setup that has been mitigating the analog distorions,
to the detrement of the digital signal, which has different
problems.

Frankly, I don't want to argue with you, I'm tired of flaming,
and I'm even more tired of trying to deal with misinformation
and superstition. 

If you think I'm attacking you, go read net.politics and find
see what you think afterwards.  I certainly disagree with you,
but I'm not attacking you.  Let's keep it that way.
-- 
TEDDY BEARS ARE PEOPLE, TOO!

(allegra,harpo,ulysses)!rabbit!jj