Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxn.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!mhuxm!pyuxww!pyuxn!rlr From: rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: More unfinished business Message-ID: <438@pyuxn.UUCP> Date: Fri, 3-Feb-84 17:52:29 EST Article-I.D.: pyuxn.438 Posted: Fri Feb 3 17:52:29 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 8-Feb-84 04:37:49 EST References: <804@qubix.UUCP> Organization: Central Services Org., Piscataway N.J. Lines: 37 C'mon, give me a break, Larry!! For the hundred-and-fiftieth time, there is NOTHING (repeat NOTHING) illogical in Tim's saying: 1. The god described in the bible is a pig (or some such epithet). 2. If the bible is true, and this god does indeed exist as described, he is much more worthy of repugnance than of worship. [FOLLOWED BY SUBSTANTIATION] 3. However, I do not believe the bible to be true. I either believe that if there is a god it is of a different form than that described in the bible, or that there is no god at all. [FOLLOWED POSSIBLY BY SHOWING FLAWS IN BIBLICAL WRITINGS TO SUBSTANTIATE BELIEF THAT THE BIBLE IS NOT TRUE] 4. Those self-righteous enough to believe that the "word" described in the bible is the "truth" and the only way are misguided. Those who would look down upon those who do not are contemptible (despite their words about "god loves you anyway though you do not see the truth" and "you will see the truth in time"). Those who would impose this belief structure on others who do not adhere to it ("for their own good and the good of society" usually means "to increase my/our power") are dangerous. [THUS THOSE WHO CONDEMN "RELIGIONISTS" (autocratic ones) AND DENY THE TRUTHFULNESS OF THEIR HOLY WRITINGS ARE CONDEMNING THEIR SELF-RIGHTEOUS AND SELF-CENTERED ACTIONS, AND POSSIBLY ARE SAYING THAT THE VERY NATURE OF SUCH SOCIETAL-ORGANIZING SYSTEMS LEADS TO CORRUPTED ABSOLUTE POWER. SUCH A PERSON COULD ALSO SAY THAT IF THE HOLY WRITING *ARE* TRUE, THE GOD THEY DEPICT IS NOT WORTHY OF WORSHIP, WITHOUT BEING "ILLOGICAL".] I took the logical flow further than I intended and got a little "preachy" there (no pun intended), but... could you please show me where the illogic is?? -- Pardon me for breathing... Rich Rosen pyuxn!rlr