Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site rabbit.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!eagle!allegra!alice!rabbit!jj From: jj@rabbit.UUCP Newsgroups: net.audio,net.flame Subject: Re: jj's Re: Thoughts on subjectivity and specifications Message-ID: <2458@rabbit.UUCP> Date: Wed, 1-Feb-84 14:45:12 EST Article-I.D.: rabbit.2458 Posted: Wed Feb 1 14:45:12 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 7-Feb-84 10:19:10 EST References: many, <779@drufl.UUCP>, <2387@rabbit.UUCP>, <782@drufl.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 55 Well, Phil, you aren't quite listening... I do think subjectivity has a place in the audio market. I also have managed, over the years, to be able to spot the "differences" while listening and then, from what I've heard, find out WHAT THEY WERE. (It's nice to be able to establish a correlation between subjective and objective measures once in a while! Not too easy, either!) I've heard a lot of crap on CD's that is clearly, distinctly, etc, the results of GAWDAWFUL MIKING TECHNIQUES. I've also heard a couple of the worst mixes known to mankind. I don't blame EITHER of these on the digital technology, and I don't think the disc is inferior to other forms of digital recording, especially since it's BLOODY WELL IDENTICAL. You hear me? IDENTICAL. There are, naturally, a few bad implementations. These bad implementations do not predominate, however , in fact they are barely in the market. A lot of what you've been arguing just doesn't stand up from the end of digital analysis/theory/practice/experience, in which I currently earn my living. Some of the results you've been hearing certainly exist, but they almost uniformly don't have anything to do with digital audio. A few may, but it' hard to sift through everything.I also have an interesting test for you: Take a digital signal. Take a pair of UNCONNECTED pink noise generators, and add a bit of pink noise about 75dB down to the digital signal. Presto! Ambience! It's embarressed a LOT of people! Digital does indeed sound different sometimes. It's not always WRONG, though. Just remember that one have learned to tolerate certain changes in sound from the disc process, and that they now sound "normal" to one's self. Perhaps you might give youself a chance to acclimitize a bit more, including, perhaps, a change in the system setup that has been mitigating the analog distorions, to the detrement of the digital signal, which has different problems. Frankly, I don't want to argue with you, I'm tired of flaming, and I'm even more tired of trying to deal with misinformation and superstition. If you think I'm attacking you, go read net.politics and find see what you think afterwards. I certainly disagree with you, but I'm not attacking you. Let's keep it that way. -- TEDDY BEARS ARE PEOPLE, TOO! (allegra,harpo,ulysses)!rabbit!jj