Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ccieng2.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!floyd!harpo!seismo!rochester!ritcv!ccieng5!ccieng2!kfk From: kfk@ccieng2.UUCP Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: critiquing the (yawn) followups Message-ID: <108@ccieng2.UUCP> Date: Wed, 8-Feb-84 16:47:49 EST Article-I.D.: ccieng2.108 Posted: Wed Feb 8 16:47:49 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 10-Feb-84 03:24:09 EST Organization: Computer Consoles Inc., Rochester, NY Lines: 39 I have this weird desire to stick my neck out today, but hopefully not too far. ---------- From ihopa!dap Sun Feb 5 14:36:14 Subject: Re: critiquing the (yawn) followups Larry, I believe that Adolph Hitler is God. What I would like you to do is to show me that this isn't the case. By the way, please make sure that you do not judge Herr Hitler's actions by any moral standards since he IS the standard and to judge him would be putting yourself above him. That is, everything Hitler does is right BY DEFINITION and I can never accept that any of his actions are less than perfect so please don't use any such illogic in your proof. ---------- Can I offer a counterexample? I would like to suggest that Adolph Hitler is not God, but I don't intend proving it by some moral standard. I would sug- gest that he is not God because Adolph Hitler is like any other man in very many ways. If he is like any other man, then he is (regrettably) a lot like me, and I *know* that I'm not any sort of God. Therefore, Adolph Hitler is not (was not) God. I think that is a reasonable sort of statement to make, since it avoids trying to pin some moral standard (over which we, as men, are never going to agree) on God. What I think my statement does is make Hitler guilty of non-Godly humanity by proof of human similarity. To pre-answer a couple of responses: Assertion: But since he is human, he is a god. (I *think* this would be Tim's statement.) Response: Umm...your opinion, which I don't have to accept, any more than you have to accept my assertion that humans are not gods. Neither is readily provable. Assertion: But you have used an external standard by which to make that choice. Response: I don't think so. I think I used a self-evident (to me) *internal* mechanism. Just a thought, seeing what might be generated. -- Karl Kleinpaste ...![ [seismo, allegra]!rochester!ritcv, rlgvax]!ccieng5!ccieng2!kfk