Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site drufl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!we13!ihnp4!drutx!drufl!rjs From: rjs@drufl.UUCP (Schiffbauer) Newsgroups: net.movies.sw Subject: Re: SW apostasy Message-ID: <819@drufl.UUCP> Date: Wed, 1-Feb-84 11:10:08 EST Article-I.D.: drufl.819 Posted: Wed Feb 1 11:10:08 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 7-Feb-84 08:13:04 EST Organization: AT&T Information Systems, Denver Lines: 62 I asked Hutch to elaborate on the idea of foreshadowing and its use. He responded with the following communique: From uucp Mon Jan 30 03:30 MST 1984 >From tektronix!shark!hutch Fri Jan 27 16:25:16 1984 remote from ihnp4 Message-Id: <8401272225.AA27508@ihnp4.ATT.UUCP> Received: by ihnp4.ATT.UUCP (sendmail 4.12/9-Jan-84) id AA27508; 27 Jan 84 16:25:16 CST (Fri) From: ihnp4!shark!hutch To: tektronix!ihnp4!drux3!drutx!drufl!rjs Fcc: inbox Received: from shark.uucp by tektronix ; 27 Jan 84 11:27:22 PST Date: Friday, 27 Jan 84 09:12:19 PST Subject: Re: SW apostasy In-Reply-To: Your message of 27 Jan 84 09:44:39 CST (Fri). Sure. What I was saying, (altho on re-reading, not saying well) was that the similarities between the four plot-sublines of ROTJ and the other two Starwars movies MIGHT be uses of the literary "devices" of foreshadowing and underscoring (maybe the wrong term). If you are unfamiliar with foreshadowing, or prefiguring (a similar technique) it basically consists of using a theme or motif early in a story in order to prepare or lead the audience to a later repetition of the motif, which is hopefully a surprising or especially satisfying thing given the later situation. The scene where Vader was "tempting" Luke in TESB was a foreshadow of the (expected) later battle, as was the Saber duel in New Hope. The effect was then especially nice as Luke, previously tempted by the vestigial Dark Side, is able to similarly tempt Vader's vestigial Light Side. Of course, in order to make it all obvious to the critics, we have the Emperor also trying the same tricks to seduce Luke, who is saved largely because he doesn't care about the Emperor and therefore doesn't really pay him a lot of attention. Similar things happen all through. Underscoring is the trick of repeating elements through a story in order to make a point about the character or theme. An excellent example is the very oft-repeated shaving episodes in the Thomas Covenant stories by Stephen R. Donaldson. Covenant's insistence on remaining a leper would have been nicely (and subtly) brought out (IF it hadn't been presented in such a heavy-handed fashion). I recall also mentioning another storytelling device, but I forget now what it was. I did notice something some of my friends missed, in ROTJ. There was a strong element of paralellism in the three ongoing stories of the latter half of the film. Specifically, the ground and space battles reflected the battle between Luke and the Emperor. This was both a nice dramatic touch, making the turn of events seem blacker and blacker, and a rather nice illustration of Lucas' religious assertions about the Force. The actual battle was really between Luke and the Emperor, and the other two battles were reflections and tools of the real combat between Dark and Light. Nice touch. Feel free to forward this to the net if you want to. Hutch Thank you, Hutch, for the good words!