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From: tjl@uw-june (Terry Ligocki)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Sex and violence
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Date: Mon, 30-Jan-84 15:39:05 EST
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Posted: Mon Jan 30 15:39:05 1984
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First let me say that I do not in any way agree with Randwulf's point
of view, but I am also distressed by Roberta's implications in the last
two lines of her rebuff.  They were:

	"Did this statement make sense to other male subscribers to
	 net.women? Is Randwulf's "crazy act" closer to reality than he
	 may think, or is he just more honest?"

The last sentence reminds my of the question:

	"Have you stopped beating your wife?"

which may not be answerable in a yes/no context as it already implies
the act of wife beating.  Randwulf's comments don't reflect my views in
the least (i.e. They didn't "make sense").  I believe Randwulf was
being honest about his view of the world but, again, I don't agree with
that view.  I don't believe it is very close to reality.

I can understand Roberta's outrage at Randwulf's comments but I can't
understand the necessity of implying all men may share his view.  I,
personally, have felt complete, unconditional compassion for all
victims of rape (female and male).  I have known several victims
personally and I can only cry when I think of their need to alter their
entire life to protect against (and to forget about) rape.  I have
never had to do this and see it as a great encroachment on personal
freedom.  I have discussed this with many of the women I have known.  I
am convinced that avoiding rape is a concern that is unreasonable for
women to have to bare.  All women probably have to bare this burden
whether they have been raped or not.  That is completely unacceptable.

These are my honest views on the subject.  I hope that they reflect the
trend in thinking about violent crime (including rape) for everyone's
sake.
					Terry J.  (tjl@uw-june)