Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site uw-june Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!floyd!harpo!ihnp4!alberta!ubc-vision!uw-beaver!uw-june!tjl From: tjl@uw-june (Terry Ligocki) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Sex and violence Message-ID: <929@uw-june> Date: Mon, 30-Jan-84 15:39:05 EST Article-I.D.: uw-june.929 Posted: Mon Jan 30 15:39:05 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 3-Feb-84 02:43:42 EST References: <2511@azure.UUCP> Organization: U. Washington, Computer Sci Lines: 38 First let me say that I do not in any way agree with Randwulf's point of view, but I am also distressed by Roberta's implications in the last two lines of her rebuff. They were: "Did this statement make sense to other male subscribers to net.women? Is Randwulf's "crazy act" closer to reality than he may think, or is he just more honest?" The last sentence reminds my of the question: "Have you stopped beating your wife?" which may not be answerable in a yes/no context as it already implies the act of wife beating. Randwulf's comments don't reflect my views in the least (i.e. They didn't "make sense"). I believe Randwulf was being honest about his view of the world but, again, I don't agree with that view. I don't believe it is very close to reality. I can understand Roberta's outrage at Randwulf's comments but I can't understand the necessity of implying all men may share his view. I, personally, have felt complete, unconditional compassion for all victims of rape (female and male). I have known several victims personally and I can only cry when I think of their need to alter their entire life to protect against (and to forget about) rape. I have never had to do this and see it as a great encroachment on personal freedom. I have discussed this with many of the women I have known. I am convinced that avoiding rape is a concern that is unreasonable for women to have to bare. All women probably have to bare this burden whether they have been raped or not. That is completely unacceptable. These are my honest views on the subject. I hope that they reflect the trend in thinking about violent crime (including rape) for everyone's sake. Terry J. (tjl@uw-june)