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From: rlr@pyuxn.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Subtle and insidious sexism (or anyt - (nf)
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Date: Thu, 23-Feb-84 11:54:02 EST
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>>>    Personally, if something is so subtle I can't see it, it's not there. 
>>>    To believe otherwise is to invite prejudice and paranoia. And if someone
>>>    else sees it anyway, it may say more about them than about me. However,
>>>    I'm usually willing to listen and think about it.  --Jeff Winslow
 
>>  Subtle and insidious subliminal manipulation (conscious/intentional or
>>  otherwise) do exist.  To simply say, "It's easy for someone to say it
>>  exists in cases where it doesn't solely for the purpose of making a point."
>>  doesn't make it go away.  --Rich Rosen

> If something is so subtle that it cannot be detected, then there is no
> reason to assume it is present.  --Scott Renner

I guess this means there are no electrons, since we cannot detect an individual
electron, and thus there is no electricity.

This is a very bogus argument, that if we cannot see something it is not there.
Very anthropocentric.  No, I don't think that "they" (those attempting to
persuade through subliminal whatever---media manipulators) know what they're
doing;  they don't have enough smarts to "make us" buy a particular product.
But there is a measurable (though probably unplanned) effect resulting from
many subtleties present in mass media.  To deny that there are certain media
images that have subtle effects on people is preposterous.

No, I'm not prepared to argue the point with examples and evidence, since I
don't consider books like "Subliminal Seduction" to be all that purely
scientific.  In any case, this certainly does NOT belong in net.women anymore.
Let's move it to net.misc if anybody else has anything else to say. I'm backing
out of this one.
-- 
Pardon me for breathing, which I never do anyway oh, god, I'm so depressed...
	Rich Rosen    pyuxn!rlr