Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site ihopa.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxl!ihnp4!ihopa!dap From: dap@ihopa.UUCP (afsd) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Omniscience vs. Free Will (again!) Message-ID: <167@ihopa.UUCP> Date: Wed, 22-Feb-84 22:33:37 EST Article-I.D.: ihopa.167 Posted: Wed Feb 22 22:33:37 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 24-Feb-84 01:39:56 EST References: <844@ssc-vax.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 26 From David Norris: "But I think my original point still holds up. God, being omniscient, knows that we are going to disobey the law of jurisprudence tomorrow and fall on our butt. It does not follow that He *makes* it happen, because watching someone do something is not the same as making them do it." I agree Dave. I think I finally am beginning to realize why Dave and I disagree on this subject. Dave misunderstands my position. I am not saying it is God's fault if we fall tomorrow. I said in my letter to Dave that while we may not be constrained to do God's will, we nevertheless have no choice in the matter of whether we fall tomorrow. Please understand, Dave. I am not blaming God for MAKING me fall tomorrow. I am only stating that if God, an omniscient being, KNOWS I'm going to fall then that is exactly what will happen and I don't have any choice about it. I maintain my analogy. I may not FORCE a thrown ball to land in a certain spot, but it is predetermined where it will land and it has NO choice in the matter. We are like that ball. God may not FORCE us to do what we do, but we nonetheless don't have any say in the matter ourselves, assuming the omniscience of God. Darrell Plank ihnp4!ihopa!dap