Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!seismo!hao!hplabs!sri-unix!abc@brl-bmd From: abc%brl-bmd@sri-unix.UUCP Newsgroups: net.micro Subject: [Ron Natalie: Re: Byte finally showed up] Message-ID: <16053@sri-arpa.UUCP> Date: Fri, 27-Jan-84 09:33:55 EST Article-I.D.: sri-arpa.16053 Posted: Fri Jan 27 09:33:55 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 31-Jan-84 01:49:09 EST Lines: 289 From: postman----- Forwarded message # 1: Received: From Brl-Vgr.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 26 Jan 84 14:37 EST Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-VGR via smtp; 26 Jan 84 14:42 EST Received: From Brl-Vgr.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 26 Jan 84 14:30 EST Date: Thu, 26 Jan 84 14:15:57 EST From: Ron Natalie To: ABN.ISCAMS@usc-isid cc: young@uci-750a, ciaraldi@rochester, info-cpm@brl, info-micro@brl, jpm@bnl, jpm@brl Subject: Re: Byte finally showed up Has anyone received their February Byte yet? o o ^ \_____/ ----- Forwarded message # 2: Received: From Brl-Vgr.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 26 Jan 84 14:40 EST Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-VGR via smtp; 26 Jan 84 14:42 EST Received: From Brl-Vgr.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 26 Jan 84 14:30 EST Date: Thu, 26 Jan 84 14:15:57 EST From: Ron Natalie To: ABN.ISCAMS@usc-isid cc: young@uci-750a, ciaraldi@rochester, info-cpm@brl, info-micro@brl, jpm@bnl, jpm@brl Subject: Re: Byte finally showed up Has anyone received their February Byte yet? o o ^ \_____/ ----- Forwarded message # 3: Received: From Brl-Vgr.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 27 Jan 84 0:32 EST Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-VGR via smtp; 27 Jan 84 0:39 EST Received: From Bnl.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 26 Jan 84 15:58 EST Date: 26-Jan-84 15:09:39-EST From: jpm@bnl Subject: Late BYTE To: Pourne@mit-mc, Info-Micro@brl Since I was the one who started all this I feel I should be the one to end it. I plan to write a letter of complaint to Byte. Anybody else who has been getting theirs late should do the same. Lets not fill the net with any more discussion on the subject. John McNamee jpm@Bnl.Arpa ----- Forwarded message # 4: Received: From Brl-Vgr.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 27 Jan 84 0:33 EST Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-VGR via smtp; 27 Jan 84 0:40 EST Received: From Mit-Xx.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 26 Jan 84 16:55 EST Date: Thu 26 Jan 84 16:55:28-EST From: Thomas S. Wanuga Subject: BYTE Delay To: info-micro@BRL.ARPA My roommate got his copy of the latest Newsweek in yesterday's mail. Since there seems to be so much interest, would someone like to organinze an INFO-MAGAZINE? ------- ----- Forwarded message # 5: Received: From Brl-Vgr.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 27 Jan 84 0:35 EST Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-VGR via smtp; 27 Jan 84 0:42 EST Received: From Rochester.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 26 Jan 84 18:14 EST Received: by sen.rochester (3.327.3N) id AA15956; 26 Jan 84 18:14:22 EST (Thu) Received: by cay.Rochester (3.327.3N+) id AA05827; 26 Jan 84 18:10:49 EST (Thu) Message-Id: <8401262314.15956@sen.rochester> Date: 26 Jan 84 18:14:22 EST (Thu) From: Mike Ciaraldi Subject: Re: Byte finally showed up To: ABN.ISCAMS@usc-isid.ARPA, ron@brl-vgr.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@brl.ARPA, info-micro@brl.ARPA, jpm@bnl.ARPA, jpm@brl.ARPA, young@uci-750a.ARPA 1) I am happy to hear that at least someone gets his Byte in a timely fashion. This has been bugging me for years, less so now that I get so many magazines I can't read them all anyway. About four years ago, I complained to Carl Helmers when he was in town. He didn't seem very interseted, and just said, "We send them to the Post Office", ask them. I called the Byte subscription number, and they said, "We send them to the POst Office and the newsstands the same day, so it must be the mail's fault." I asked the Post Office, and they said it probably did not take two weeks to get from NH to NY every month. 2) Cancelling our subscriptions is somewhat like cutting off noses to spite faces. 3) So, I suggest, we take a poll on when the, say February issue shows up, then send the results to Byte, as J. Pournelle suggested. Let's all be on the lookout for newsstand and subscription copies. Has February Byte reached anyone yet? What's on the cover? Mike Ciaraldi, ciaraldi@rochester P.S. Every single person need not sennd mail. Maybe it shoukld be tht the first one to see a newsstand copy in his or her city should post, likewise the first sub, then anyone who gets a sub copy more than a day or two later could follow up with a message. Hopefully, doing this ONCE will generate some statistics without overloading the network. ----- Forwarded message # 6: Received: From Brl-Vgr.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 27 Jan 84 0:36 EST Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-VGR via smtp; 27 Jan 84 0:42 EST Received: From Rochester.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 26 Jan 84 18:14 EST Received: by sen.rochester (3.327.3N) id AA15956; 26 Jan 84 18:14:22 EST (Thu) Received: by cay.Rochester (3.327.3N+) id AA05827; 26 Jan 84 18:10:49 EST (Thu) Message-Id: <8401262314.15956@sen.rochester> Date: 26 Jan 84 18:14:22 EST (Thu) From: Mike Ciaraldi Subject: Re: Byte finally showed up To: ABN.ISCAMS@usc-isid.ARPA, ron@brl-vgr.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@brl.ARPA, info-micro@brl.ARPA, jpm@bnl.ARPA, jpm@brl.ARPA, young@uci-750a.ARPA 1) I am happy to hear that at least someone gets his Byte in a timely fashion. This has been bugging me for years, less so now that I get so many magazines I can't read them all anyway. About four years ago, I complained to Carl Helmers when he was in town. He didn't seem very interseted, and just said, "We send them to the Post Office", ask them. I called the Byte subscription number, and they said, "We send them to the POst Office and the newsstands the same day, so it must be the mail's fault." I asked the Post Office, and they said it probably did not take two weeks to get from NH to NY every month. 2) Cancelling our subscriptions is somewhat like cutting off noses to spite faces. 3) So, I suggest, we take a poll on when the, say February issue shows up, then send the results to Byte, as J. Pournelle suggested. Let's all be on the lookout for newsstand and subscription copies. Has February Byte reached anyone yet? What's on the cover? Mike Ciaraldi, ciaraldi@rochester P.S. Every single person need not sennd mail. Maybe it shoukld be tht the first one to see a newsstand copy in his or her city should post, likewise the first sub, then anyone who gets a sub copy more than a day or two later could follow up with a message. Hopefully, doing this ONCE will generate some statistics without overloading the network. ----- Forwarded message # 7: Received: From Brl-Vgr.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 27 Jan 84 3:07 EST Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-VGR via smtp; 27 Jan 84 3:19 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 27 Jan 84 3:15 EST Date: 27 January 1984 03:19 EST From: Jerry E. Pournelle Subject: Byte finally showed up To: ciaraldi@rochester cc: ABN.ISCAMS@usc-isid, info-cpm@brl, info-micro@brl, jpm@brl, jpm@bnl, young@uci-750a, ron@brl-vgr In-reply-to: Msg of 26 Jan 84 18:14:22 EST (Thu) from Mike Ciaraldi 1> I have Feb BYTE sent to me FEDEX from teh printer; the editorial people got theirs also same way same time. 2. They should NOW be in Post Office. Understand: the darned things are so big that only a couple of printers in the country can hanle them. I believe the printer we now use does also Sears roebuck catalogs. 3. St atistcs posted on this net will do NO good. LETTERS to the editorial office -- to me for that matter -- will POSSIBLY get some attention, possibly not. 4. Cancelling subscription seems drastic. Who does better on getting out that much data so regularly? ----- Forwarded message # 8: Received: From Brl-Vgr.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 27 Jan 84 3:09 EST Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-VGR via smtp; 27 Jan 84 3:19 EST Received: From Usc-Eclc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 27 Jan 84 3:15 EST Date: 27 Jan 1984 0017-PST From: Chuck McManis Subject: Late Bytes To: info-micro@brl Of course last I heard Byte had an account at Mit-Mc, so why not redirect all current flaming on directly. Arm chair complainers UNITE! --Chuck P.S. Thats BYTE@MIT-MC for you arpa people Some!weird!address!at!ucb-vax!and!then!on!to!the!arpanet for usenet people :-> ------- ----- Forwarded message # 9: Received: From Brl-Vgr.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 27 Jan 84 3:10 EST Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-VGR via smtp; 27 Jan 84 3:19 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 27 Jan 84 3:15 EST Date: 27 January 1984 03:19 EST From: Jerry E. Pournelle Subject: Byte finally showed up To: ciaraldi@rochester cc: ABN.ISCAMS@usc-isid, info-cpm@brl, info-micro@brl, jpm@brl, jpm@bnl, young@uci-750a, ron@brl-vgr In-reply-to: Msg of 26 Jan 84 18:14:22 EST (Thu) from Mike Ciaraldi 1> I have Feb BYTE sent to me FEDEX from teh printer; the editorial people got theirs also same way same time. 2. They should NOW be in Post Office. Understand: the darned things are so big that only a couple of printers in the country can hanle them. I believe the printer we now use does also Sears roebuck catalogs. 3. St atistcs posted on this net will do NO good. LETTERS to the editorial office -- to me for that matter -- will POSSIBLY get some attention, possibly not. 4. Cancelling subscription seems drastic. Who does better on getting out that much data so regularly? ----- Forwarded message # 10: Received: From Brl-Vgr.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 27 Jan 84 4:00 EST Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-VGR via smtp; 27 Jan 84 4:13 EST Received: From Cmu-Cs-A.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 27 Jan 84 4:08 EST Date: 27 Jan 84 0410 EST (Friday) From: George.Wood@cmu-cs-a To: ABN.ISCAMS@usc-isid, ciaraldi@rochester Subject: Re: Byte finally showed up CC: info-cpm@brl, info-micro@brl, POURNE@mit-mc In-Reply-To: <[USC-ISID]26-Jan-84 04:00:47.ABN.ISCAMS> Message-Id: <27Jan84.041012.GW90@CMU-CS-A> Sorry; but I can't stand it either. It's January 26th and I STILL don't have my January BYTE. JEP says the February issues have left the printers. I think he missed the point about statistics: use the net for gathering and reporting them to net users, and uSnail for reporting final results to Byte, the post office, etc. But perhaps someone would volunteer to accept all reports instead of clogging the net bb's, and compile a report at the end of the month. George ----- Forwarded message # 11: Received: From Brl-Vgr.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 27 Jan 84 4:02 EST Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-VGR via smtp; 27 Jan 84 4:13 EST Received: From Cmu-Cs-A.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 27 Jan 84 4:08 EST Date: 27 Jan 84 0410 EST (Friday) From: George.Wood@cmu-cs-a To: ABN.ISCAMS@usc-isid, ciaraldi@rochester Subject: Re: Byte finally showed up CC: info-cpm@brl, info-micro@brl, POURNE@mit-mc In-Reply-To: <[USC-ISID]26-Jan-84 04:00:47.ABN.ISCAMS> Message-Id: <27Jan84.041012.GW90@CMU-CS-A> Sorry; but I can't stand it either. It's January 26th and I STILL don't have my January BYTE. JEP says the February issues have left the printers. I think he missed the point about statistics: use the net for gathering and reporting them to net users, and uSnail for reporting final results to Byte, the post office, etc. But perhaps someone would volunteer to accept all reports instead of clogging the net bb's, and compile a report at the end of the month. George ----- End of forwarded messages