Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!hou3c!hocda!houxm!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!renner From: renner@uiucdcs.UUCP (renner ) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Subtle and insidious sexism (or anyt - (nf) Message-ID: <5804@uiucdcs.UUCP> Date: Wed, 22-Feb-84 22:29:25 EST Article-I.D.: uiucdcs.5804 Posted: Wed Feb 22 22:29:25 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 24-Feb-84 01:30:07 EST Lines: 22 #R:tekecs:-352000:uiucdcs:31600044:000:1014 uiucdcs!renner Feb 22 19:05:00 1984 >> Personally, if something is so subtle I can't see it, it's not there. >> To believe otherwise is to invite prejudice and paranoia. And if someone >> else sees it anyway, it may say more about them than about me. However, >> I'm usually willing to listen and think about it. --Jeff Winslow > Subtle and insidious subliminal manipulation (conscious/intentional or > otherwise) do exist. To simply say, "It's easy for someone to say it > exists in cases where it doesn't solely for the purpose of making a point." > doesn't make it go away. --Rich Rosen If something is so subtle that it cannot be detected, then there is no reason to assume it is present. By definition one cannot show that it does not exist. One might as well blame your problems on the subtle and insidious influences of the Tooth Fairy -- nobody can prove that the Tooth Fairy *isn't* doing bad things to you, and it will help to cover the things really wrong in your life. Scott Renner {ihnp4,pur-ee}!uiucdcs!renner