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From: mcewan@uiucdcs.UUCP (mcewan )
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Subject: Re: Child molestation and pornography - (nf)
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Date: Fri, 17-Feb-84 03:29:25 EST
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Posted: Fri Feb 17 03:29:25 1984
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uiucdcs!mcewan    Feb 17 00:37:00 1984

	A Definition:
	
	Pornography is that which depicts people enjoying pain and
	mistreatment.  Also, that which celebrates violence as a valid form
	of sexuality.
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SARCASM
    
    A Definition:

    A feminist is a lesbian who violently hates men. Feminists enjoy kidnaping,
    torturing and killing men.


    Studies have conclusively proven that feminism rots the moral fiber of
    our nation, turns our children into perverts and causes tooth decay. Can
    anyone question the wisdom of burning all feminists at the stake?

MSACRAS

I really don't think that redefining words to make your case is a legitimate
debating tactic. If you don't know the meaning of the word pornography,
LOOK IT UP! If you want to flame about movies that feature violence against
women, then say "movies that feature violence against women" or find or define
a word that means the same thing. If you want to flame against pornography,
then talk about PORNOGRAPHY.

The usual feminist anti-pornography argument seems to go as follows:

    1) Define pornography as above.

    2) Point to study concluding that this kind of pornography turns men
    into homocidal rapists.

    3) Point to non-violent but (by normal definition) porographic movie and
    shout LOOK! PORNOGRAPHY! EVIL! DESTROY!

Personally, I think such people are merely trying to justify an irrational
belief with pseudo-rational arguments. I think they should join the Moral
Majority and move their flames to net.religion.

If, one the other hand, people want to talk rationally about depictions of
violence against women or pornography, I'm willing to listen.

			Scott McEwan
			pur-ee!uiucdcs!mcewan

P.S. I don't mind flames, but before you flame, please re-read this note
and make sure that you understand what I'm trying to say. Except for the
sarcasm block, I believe I used the correct English definitions for all
the words.